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Access Date: December 25, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 240
B.W. Raymond
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 14361797 | |
| Grade: | 240 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond Diamond CJ | |
| Model: | 8 | |
| Generation: | First | |
| Class: | 91 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1910 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 46 of 62 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 67,500 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 45,000 (18S-M8-19J-ONL-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND DIAMOND CJ) | |
| Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 500 | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 19j | |
| Jewel Material: | Ruby | |
| Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Double Roller: | Yes | |
| Barrel: | Jeweled Safety | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Escapement Type: | Straight-line | |
| Pallet Jewel Material: | Sapphire | |
| Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
| Wind Indicator Available: | Yes | |
| Wind Indicator Present: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 596407, 77078, 596408 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 6561.240G47.18S2835.188M86.O2231.L1909.19J65 | |
| Data Research: |
1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.526 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 203.22 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 78.48 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.133% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 17 (1.70%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | -1.97% Analyzing 486 Sales | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 240
Target Profile: 18S-M8-19J-ONL-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND DIAMOND CJ
| Elgin Grade 240 (All Variations): 67,500 ETP | |
| 18S: 67,500 100.00% 18s, Grade 240 |
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| 18S-M8: 67,500 100.00% 18s, Grade 240, Model 8 |
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| 18S-M8-19J: 67,500 100.00% 18s, Grade 240, Model 8, 19 Jewels |
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| 18S-M8-19J-ONL: 67,500 100.00% 18s, Grade 240, Model 8, 19 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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| 18S-M8-19J-ONL-A5PTI: 67,500 100.00% | |
| 18S-M8-19J-ONL-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND DIAMOND CJ: 45,000 66.67% | Other: 22,500
Other Variants or Unclassified |
| NOTE: 68,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 500 Never Manufactured | |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 17 watches in the population registry for this run with 3 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · March 22, 2024
Serial Number 14361323 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 8, 2021
Serial Number 14361934 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
fasteddies 3 · December 18, 2020
Serial Number 14361262 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 30, 2020
Serial Number 14361584 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: All correct, except this one is a wind indicator.
Cheers. duffy l.
Cheers. duffy l.
Anonymous · May 29, 2020
Serial Number 14361702 was reported as accurate.
ngupaan 95 · June 25, 2019
Serial Number 14361012 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Has a Brass train, not gold as stated. If you take
a look at the images of watches that have been
uploaded you will clearly see a mix of brass
trains and gold train wheels. My own observations
appear to show that most of the serial numbers up
to 10,3xx,xxx carry the gold plated train wheels
with the majority I have seen being single roller
escapement.
Sometime after this serial block they changed to
brass train wheels in the majority of these with
most of these having a double roller escapement.
There are the occasional exceptions to the rule,
where you will see the gold plated train wheels on
a later run but these appear to be in very
limited number. More observations are need to pin
point the exact change, so at present the gold
train data is erroneous.
a look at the images of watches that have been
uploaded you will clearly see a mix of brass
trains and gold train wheels. My own observations
appear to show that most of the serial numbers up
to 10,3xx,xxx carry the gold plated train wheels
with the majority I have seen being single roller
escapement.
Sometime after this serial block they changed to
brass train wheels in the majority of these with
most of these having a double roller escapement.
There are the occasional exceptions to the rule,
where you will see the gold plated train wheels on
a later run but these appear to be in very
limited number. More observations are need to pin
point the exact change, so at present the gold
train data is erroneous.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report and summary of your research. I agree with your assessment and have removed the "gold train" designation as a master characteristic of this grade. Please follow up if you discover any additional information with your research.
Anonymous · July 25, 2018
Serial Number 14361616 was reported as accurate.
dwhita 56 · August 30, 2017
Serial Number 14361461 was reported as accurate.
Urbanops 51 · May 3, 2017
Serial Number 14361797 was reported as accurate.
marty1847 1 · March 5, 2016
Serial Number 14361219 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 15, 2016
Serial Number 14361702 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 25, 2016
Serial Number 14361355 was reported as accurate.
69abody 166 · October 26, 2013
Serial Number 14361009 was reported as accurate.
69abody 166 · October 22, 2013
Serial Number 14361734 was reported as accurate.
69abody 166 · October 21, 2013
Serial Number 14361734 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 25, 2012
Serial Number 14361985 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
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