Pocket Watch Database
Access Date: December 01, 2023
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Experimental/Prototype/Special Run. Please See Research Notes.
Private Label(s) in Run:
Hayden W. Wheeler & Co. - N.Y.What is a Private Label?
|Manufacturer Location:||Elgin, Illinois|
|Movement Serial Number:||375031|
|Estimated Production Year:||1885|
1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
|PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: |
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
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Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
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Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
|Registry Population:||10 (1.02%)|
Research Note: Elgin factory serial lists designate 375,001-376,000 as grade "F.R." (Frances Rubie), later including it in the Grade 23 number classification. However, only one 10-Size Frances Rubie movement has been verified from this run, #375010. The remainder of the run is comprised of various experimental, prototype, and special order movements. For this reason, the run has been split in the database to segment the original Frances Rubie production from the experimental and special order movements.
#375010: Verified as Frances Rubie.
#375028 and #375030: Verified as having features consistent with the 16-Size Model 4 Grade 83.
#375031: Verified as 16-Size Model 4 "Chronograph" featuring a unique timer mechanism added to movement [Heritage Auctions].
#375074: Verified as 6-Size Movement with 3 Finger Bridge [IHC185].
#375075: Verified as 16-Size Pendant-Set Prototype with Barrel Similar to Interchangeable Models.
#375081: Verified as 18-Size Pendant-Set Prototype with Rayed Damaskeening Pattern and 21 Jewels, Possibly a Prototype for the Grade 150.
#375082: Reported as 18-Size Grade 149/150 Experimental Movement.
#375258: Verified as 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co.
#375303: Reported as an 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co. (St. Louis)
#375335 and #375366: Reported as 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co.
#375501: Verified as 16-Size Model 7 Movement Marked "Hayden W. Wheeler & Co. - N.Y. - [WHW Monogram] - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion - U.S.A." [Unmarked Double-Sunk Dial]
#375767: Verified as Unfinished 18-Size Model 8 Prototype with 23 Jewels (Gold Jewel Settings, Wheels, and Screws are all in an unfinished state) [JH April 2021].
Production Metrics Tree: Grade Experimental
Target Profile: S-M-J--U
|Elgin Grade Experimental (All Variations): 1,080 ETP|
|S: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental
|S-M: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental, Model
|S-M-J: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental, Model , Jewels
|S-M-J-: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental, Model , Jewels, //
|S-M-J--U: 1,080 100.00%|
Population Registry for This Run
|Image||Serial Number||Run Position||Primary Identification Method||Discovery Date|
There are 10 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · June 16, 2023
Serial Number 375501 was reported as inaccurate.
W. Wheeler & Co with HWW logo. Unsigned double
Anonymous · June 6, 2022
Serial Number 375303 was reported as inaccurate.
movement signed D.C. Jaccard St. Louis, Mo. Not
sure of jewel count but at least 11. Hunter
Movement with strange lever that slides sideways
instead of pulling out.
JMcCowan 2 · August 14, 2021
Serial Number 375360 was reported as inaccurate.
21 J, BW Raymond. Size 18, Open Face/Screw
Back-Similar to a Hamilton 992B
fordcasa Top Contributor Supporter 434 · May 18, 2021
Serial Number 375075 was reported as inaccurate.
guess as to Size or specs.
pocketwatch101 111 · November 20, 2019
Serial Number 375028 was reported as inaccurate.
Sz16. All the of this version Elgin Doctors Watch
are listed as. Sz16, Grd84, Model 4, Lever Set.
The have a sweep second hand. Aparently,
Sn375028 the is a break in Sn's for Elgin.
Anonymous · May 3, 2017
Serial Number 375039 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 18, 2015
Serial Number 375030 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 14, 2013
Serial Number 375828 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 26, 2013
Serial Number 375084 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · June 25, 2012
Serial Number 375082 was reported as inaccurate.
settings,dbl sunk dial.
Grade149 hunting and150 open face
(Roy Ehrhardt book 2 Price and ID Guide)
Anonymous · April 17, 2012
Serial Number 375366 was reported as inaccurate.
adjusted, D.C. Jaccard, St. Louis, Mo. Dial is
Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis, Mo. Serial
numbers all match on balance cock and mainspring