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Access Date: April 19, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 581 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 581

U.S. Army

Manufacturer: Elgin
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number: 41166780
Grade: 581
Variation: B.W. Raymond
Model: 15
Estimated Production Year: 1941
Run Quantity: 3,000
Grade/Model Run: 7 of 9
Grade/Model Total Production: 20,800
Variant Est. Production: 14,000 (16S-M15-22J-OFP)
Size: 16s
Jewels: 22j
Movement Configuration: Openface
Movement Finish: Gold Flashed
Movement Setting: Pendant
Plate: 3/4 Plate
Barrel: Going
Train: Quick
Regulator: Ball
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Position: Yes
Adjusted # of Positions: 5
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes
Railroad Grade: No
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408
Data Research: 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case: Various
Run ID: 14974.581G7.16S3799.1615M345.O6864.P11831.22J6
Database Version: v52.235
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 62.62
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 24.14
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.041%
Registry Population: 23 (0.77%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 10.73% Analyzing 77 Sales
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 581

Target Profile: 16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND

Elgin Grade 581 (All Variations): 20,800 ETP
16S: 20,800 100.00%
16s, Grade 581
16S-M15: 20,800 100.00%
16s, Grade 581, Model 15
16S-M15-22J: 18,500 88.94%
16s, Grade 581, Model 15, 22 Jewels		 Other: 2,300
Other Jewels or Unclassified
16S-M15-22J-OFP: 14,000 67.31%
16s, Grade 581, Model 15, 22 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Gold Flashed 		Other: 4,500
Other Configs or Unclassified
16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI: 14,000 67.31%
16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND: 14,000 67.31%

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
There are 23 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

steve288 264 · May 30, 2022

Serial Number 41167275 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · October 13, 2021

Serial Number 41165345 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This one is marked 21 jewels but is 22 jewels,
also this one is marked U.S. ARMY A.C. on the
movement.
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · October 9, 2021

Serial Number 41165345 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

rmwatchandclock Supporter 366 · August 15, 2021

Serial Number 41165401 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

rmwatchandclock Supporter 366 · August 4, 2021

Serial Number 41165401 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · May 13, 2021

Serial Number 41165112 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · January 27, 2021

Serial Number 41167571 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · January 26, 2021

Serial Number 41167436 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This model is a 21 jewel
Curator Response: The core movement features 21 jewels. The sweep second arbor is fitted with another hole jewel, totaling 22.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · October 23, 2019

Serial Number 41167465 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Andrew9000 85 · February 11, 2019

Serial Number 41166780 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · June 23, 2018

Serial Number 41166653 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · March 10, 2018

Serial Number 41167207 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · June 4, 2017

Serial Number 41167122 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked U.S. Army A.C.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · November 10, 2016

Serial Number 41167358 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

bwalder 137 · February 23, 2016

Serial Number 41166667 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

bwalder 137 · February 23, 2016

Serial Number 41166667 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

barcar 1 · November 7, 2015

Serial Number 41166774 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · October 18, 2015

Serial Number 41166096 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

hubme0 23 · September 6, 2015

Serial Number 41167352 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · September 4, 2015

Serial Number 41166077 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: YEAR: 1942; JEWELS: 22 (BACK PLATE SAYS 21 BUT HAS
22 JEWELS DUE TO CONVERSION TO SWEEP SECONDS);
U.S. ARMY A.C.; GOLD FLASHED MOVEMENT; 24 HOUR
DIAL GCT; HACK SET
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Brycef 107 · June 11, 2015

Serial Number 41165084 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · February 19, 2015

Serial Number 41167227 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · January 12, 2015

Serial Number 41165788 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · September 1, 2014

Serial Number 41167478 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · July 9, 2014

Serial Number 41167374 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · January 19, 2014

Serial Number 41165569 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · October 20, 2013

Serial Number 41165538 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

LeroyC 392 · September 18, 2013

Serial Number 41167331 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: gold flashed,not nickel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · July 2, 2013

Serial Number 41166796 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · June 20, 2013

Serial Number 41167358 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · April 23, 2013

Serial Number 41167358 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Gold flashed, not nickel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · March 9, 2013

Serial Number 41167560 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: gold flashed,not nickel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed

Anonymous · September 24, 2012

Serial Number 41165799 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Elgin Grade 581 Pocket Watch
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