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Access Date: December 20, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 164
Actual Production Inconsistent With Factory Records. See Research Notes.
Manufacturer: | Elgin | |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
Movement Serial Number: | 6728312 | |
Grade: | 164 | |
Variation: | Father Time | |
Model: | 2 | |
Class: | 1 | |
Estimated Production Year: | 1897 | |
Run Quantity: | 600 | |
Grade/Model Run: | 6 of 7 | |
Grade/Model Total Production: | 6,000 | |
Variant Est. Production: | 1,000 (18S-M2-21J) | |
Size: | 18s | |
Jewels: | 21j | |
Jewel Material: | Ruby | |
Jewel Setting: | Screw-Set | |
Movement Configuration: | Hunting | |
Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
Movement Signing Style: | Mixed | |
Movement Inlay Color: | Black | |
Movement Setting: | Lever | |
Plate: | Full Plate | |
Barrel: | Going | |
Train: | Quick | |
Regulator: | Moseley | |
Hairspring: | Breguet | |
Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
Adjusted: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
Railroad Grade Classification: | Class C | |
U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
Movement Markings: | Father Time Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted. Safety Pinoin |
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Case: | Various | |
Run ID: | 2681.164G6.18S1486.182M182.H2002.L1165.21J19 | |
Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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Database Version: | v52.516 | |
Advanced Metrics | ||
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 18.06 | |
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 6.92 | |
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.012% | |
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 5 (0.83%) | |
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 9.83% Analyzing 54 Sales | |
Research Note: This run is designated in factory serial lists as Grade 164 [6728001-6730000]. Standard Grade 164 movements feature 17 Jewels. However, some movements early in the run were upgraded to 21 Jewels. Serials ~6728001-6728600 (Quantity: 600) were upgraded to Father Time 21-Jewel movements while the rest of the run 6728601-6730000 (Quantity: 1,400) were 17-Jewel movements marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." or marked for private labels. This run has now been split accordingly for the purposes of the database.
#6728312: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [PWDB cranemaker]. #6728314: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels." #6728515: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [FB]. #6728530: Reported as Marked "21 Jewels." #6728567: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels." #6728585: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [eBay #113348889155]. #6728713: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #202414044481, JH 2018-08-16]. #6728722: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [JH 2018-09-23]. #6728812: Verified as Private Label Marked "A. Graves - Memphis, Tenn." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #354556317993] #6729471: Reported as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 164
Target Profile: 18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT-FATHER TIME
Elgin Grade 164 (All Variations): 6,000 ETP | |
18S: 6,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 164 |
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18S-M2: 6,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2 |
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18S-M2-21J: 1,000 16.67% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2, 21 Jewels |
Other: 5,000
Other Jewels or Unclassified |
18S-M2-21J-HNL: 1,000 16.67% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2, 21 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Nickel |
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18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT: 1,000 16.67% | |
18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT-FATHER TIME: 1,000 16.67% |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 5 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
cranemaker Supporter 83 · April 25, 2021
Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.
tobpec Supporter 31 · May 19, 2020
Serial Number 6728585 was reported as accurate.
rjbeck 150 · March 17, 2019
Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.
BOBTICTAC1940 34 · October 23, 2018
Serial Number 6728585 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 12, 2016
Serial Number 6728205 was reported as inaccurate.
DARipley 1 · June 19, 2013
Serial Number 6728567 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · April 10, 2013
Serial Number 6728567 was reported as inaccurate.
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