Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 6728312 (Grade 164)

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Access Date: April 28, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 164

Actual Production Inconsistent With Factory Records. See Research Notes.

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	6728312
Grade:	164
Variation:	Father Time
Model:	2
Class:	1
Estimated Production Year:	1897
Run Quantity:	600
Grade/Model Run:	5 of 6
Grade/Model Total Production:	6,000
Variant Est. Production:	600 (18S-M2-21J)
Size:	18s
Jewels:	21j
Jewel Material:	Ruby
Jewel Setting:	Screw-Set
Movement Configuration:	Hunting
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Signing Style:	Mixed
Movement Inlay Color:	Black
Movement Setting:	Lever
Plate:	Full Plate
Barrel:	Going
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Moseley
Hairspring:	Breguet
Standard Dial Type:	Double-Sunk
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
Railroad Grade Classification:	Class C
U.S. Patents:	77078
Movement Markings:	Father Time Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted. Safety Pinoin
Data Research:	1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case:	Various
Run ID:	2680.164G5.18S1485.182M181.H2001.L1164.21J18
Database Version:	v52.245
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	18.06
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	6.92
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.012%
Registry Population:	4 (0.67%)
Research Note: This run is designated in factory serial lists as Grade 164 [6728001-6730000]. Standard Grade 164 movements feature 17 Jewels. However, some movements early in the run were upgraded to 21 Jewels. It appears that ~6728001-6728600 (Quantity: 600) were likely upgraded to Father Time 21-Jewel movements while the rest of the run 6728601-6730000 (Quantity: 1,400) were 17-Jewel movements marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." or marked for private labels. This run has now been split accordingly for the purposes of the database. #6728312: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [PWDB cranemaker]. #6728314: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels." #6728530: Reported as Marked "21 Jewels." #6728567: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels." #6728585: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [eBay #113348889155]. #6728713: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #202414044481, JH 2018-08-16]. #6728722: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [JH 2018-09-23]. #6728812: Verified as Private Label Marked "A. Graves - Memphis, Tenn." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #354556317993] #6729471: Reported as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co."

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 164

Target Profile: 18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT-FATHER TIME

Elgin Grade 164 (All Variations): 6,000 ETP
18S: 6,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 164
18S-M2: 6,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2
18S-M2-21J: 600 10.00% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2, 21 Jewels	Other: 5,400 Other Jewels or Unclassified
18S-M2-21J-HNL: 600 10.00% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2, 21 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Nickel
18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT: 600 10.00%
18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT-FATHER TIME: 600 10.00%

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · October 31, 2023

Serial Number 6728211 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 7, 2022

Serial Number 6728211 was reported as accurate.

cranemaker Supporter 73 · April 25, 2021

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 13, 2021

Serial Number 6728385 was reported as accurate.

tobpec Supporter 31 · May 19, 2020

Serial Number 6728585 was reported as accurate.

rjbeck 150 · March 17, 2019

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 8, 2019

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 8, 2019

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

BOBTICTAC1940 34 · October 23, 2018

Serial Number 6728585 was reported as accurate.