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From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: Experimental

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 97 Question Mark
Grade: Experimental Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1867 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 100 Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Database Version: v52.517 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
3.25 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
1.20 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.002% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
11 (11.00%) Question Mark
Research Note: Official Elgin factory serial lists start at movement #101 (18-Size B.W. Raymond). However, evidence supports the existence of experimental or pre-production movements in the 1-100 serial block. The first model designed for possible production was "an 18-Size (English) full plate, key-wind, with quick train and straight line escapement, arranged to set the hands at the back." However, this model was not adopted for production, and the company instead settled on the 18-Size model that is so familiar amongst Elgin collectors. It is possible that some of these pre-production "English" 18-Size movements fall within the 1-100 run. In 2020, movement #97 was sold on the eBay auction site. Though it does not fit the description of the first (rejected) model, it resembles the early 10s "Lady Elgin" movements. However, the images reveal the plates are considerably larger - approximately 15-Size (image analysis indicates a pillar plate diameter of approximately 42.3mm). The movement is marked "Daniel Webster Whittle - No. 97 - National Watch Co. - Elgin - Moseley's Patent - Patent Pinion." It is keywind/keyset and features screw-set jeweling on the top plate (11 or 15 total jewels). The dial is single-sunk with Roman numerals and signed "National Watch Co."

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · January 6, 2017

Serial Number 55 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from Unknown to Experimental