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Access Date: April 25, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 616 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 616

Manufacturer: Elgin
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number: F174212
Grade: 616
Model: 20
Estimated Production Year: 1951
Run Quantity: 8,000
Grade/Model Run: 1 of 9
Grade/Model Total Production: 60,000
Variant Est. Production: 46,000 (16S-M20-17J-ONP-A3PTI)
Size: 16s
Jewels: 17j
Movement Configuration: Openface
Movement Finish: Nickel
Movement Setting: Pendant
Plate: 3/4 Plate
Barrel: Going
Train: Quick
Regulator: Plain
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted # of Positions: 3
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes
Total Adjustments: 5
Railroad Grade: No
U.S. Patents: 77078
Data Research: 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case: Various
Run ID: 15223.616G1.16S3895.1620M2.O6926.P12054.17J2523
Database Version: v52.245
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 180.64
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 69.75
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.119%
Registry Population: 18 (0.23%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 1.12% Analyzing 104 Sales
Research Note: Elgin Factory Serial Lists skip F176001-F177000. However, #F176168 has been verifeid as marked "Elgin 616," allowing this run to be extended to fill the previously unknown production gap.
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 616

Target Profile: 16S-M20-17J-ONP-A3PTI

Elgin Grade 616 (All Variations): 60,000 ETP
16S: 60,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 616
16S-M20: 60,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 616, Model 20
16S-M20-17J: 60,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 616, Model 20, 17 Jewels
16S-M20-17J-ONP: 60,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 616, Model 20, 17 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Nickel
16S-M20-17J-ONP-A3PTI: 46,000 76.67% Other: 14,000
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Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
There are 18 watches in the population registry for this run with 3 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · May 21, 2021

Serial Number F169734 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 23, 2021

Serial Number F174136 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 1, 2020

Serial Number F172165 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 26, 2020

Serial Number F172418 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 25, 2020

Serial Number F172418 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 25, 2020

Serial Number F171350 was reported as accurate.

cbzimm Supporter 468 · October 3, 2020

Serial Number F171073 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 10, 2019

Serial Number F170316 was reported as accurate.

Jwatch73 25 · August 29, 2019

Serial Number F173638 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 28, 2019

Serial Number F172389 was reported as accurate.

Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 292 · September 15, 2018

Serial Number F169813 was reported as accurate.

Stark1962 1 · August 24, 2018

Serial Number F172017 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 4, 2018

Serial Number F169922 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 14, 2018

Serial Number F173889 was reported as accurate.

clockingscotty 108 · October 26, 2017

Serial Number F171719 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 13, 2017

Serial Number F175772 was reported as accurate.

lee571 Supporter 78 · December 8, 2016

Serial Number F172999 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 25, 2016

Serial Number F175297 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 23, 2016

Serial Number F175297 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 10, 2016

Serial Number F175378 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 28, 2016

Serial Number F172182 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · October 19, 2015

Serial Number F175198 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · July 23, 2015

Serial Number F170810 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Photos read "5 Adjustments"
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · June 24, 2015

Serial Number F170791 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

arpete 18 · February 17, 2015

Serial Number F174512 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My watch #F174512 is pendant set, with 5
adjustments stated on movement.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · January 12, 2015

Serial Number F170617 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · September 8, 2014

Serial Number F173279 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · May 26, 2014

Serial Number F169854 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · January 17, 2014

Serial Number F170139 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 292 · January 8, 2014

Serial Number F169813 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: F169813 is a pendant set watch, NOT lever set, and
adjusted to 5 positions.
I looked through completed and sold listings on
ebay and found many 616's )ser. no.s from F to S
runs). All were 5 pos. adjustments and some 6. I
think there is allot of confusion with this grade
:). I haven't seen a lever set but I'm guessing
they did have them to market to railroaders. I
also have an Eglin material grade catalog from
1950 that ends with the J series serial nos.
showing no grade 616. I believe that same year
they started making the 616 using F to start the
runs. Their use of letters to start serial numbers
seems to have no rhyme or reason to it lol !! Hope
the info helps and keep up the great work you do
at this site!!

Paul
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · December 24, 2013

Serial Number F175680 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · December 1, 2013

Serial Number F175573 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · November 15, 2013

Serial Number F174936 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 5 adjustments
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · October 31, 2013

Serial Number F174936 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Note: It is stem set and not lever set. Also, it
is marked 5 Adjustments.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · October 19, 2013

Serial Number F169273 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · May 15, 2013

Serial Number F169273 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: " 5 adjustments "
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · March 25, 2013

Serial Number F174686 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement is marked adjusted 5 Positions. Rest is
accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 2 to 3

Anonymous · January 13, 2013

Serial Number F175636 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 16, 2012

Serial Number F174602 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 13, 2012

Serial Number F175008 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 3, 2012

Serial Number F173782 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: it is not lever set

Anonymous · September 29, 2012

Serial Number F174180 was reported as accurate.

Elgin Grade 616 Pocket Watch