Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Waltham Grade No. 1617 Pocket Watch

American Waltham Watch Co.

Grade: No. 1617

Mixed Run: Various Grades and Jewel Counts. Please Submit Report, If Possible.

Manufacturer: Waltham
Manufacturer Location: Waltham, Massachusetts
Movement Serial Number: 29966339
Grade: No. 1617
Model: 1908
Estimated Production Year: 1939
Run Quantity: 10,000
Grade/Model Run: 2 of 11
Grade/Model Total Production: 82,000
Size: 16s
Jewels: 21j    Mixed Run
Movement Configuration: Openface
Movement Setting: Pendant
Plate: Bridge Plate
Hairspring: Breguet
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes
Railroad Grade: No
Data Research: 1954 Waltham "Gray Book" List
NAWCC Waltham Serial Digest
Case: Various
Run ID: 25708.G2.16S3899.161908M1437.O15969.P10576.21J615
Database Version: v52.221
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
245.51
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
224.66
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.245%
Registry Population: 58 (0.58%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 9.23% Analyzing 173 Sales

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · February 4, 2024

Serial Number 29960992 was reported as accurate.

1tc603 7 · October 27, 2023

Serial Number 29962127 was reported as accurate.

1tc603 7 · October 27, 2023

Serial Number 29962127 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The watch is stamped Waltham Crescent Street 16s,
17 jewels
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

drisen 30 · August 10, 2023

Serial Number 29959229 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This says it's a Crescent Street it's 17 jewels 16
size
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

Anonymous · July 1, 2022

Serial Number 29964872 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 25, 2022

Serial Number 29964872 was reported as accurate.

cliffdobbins Supporter 296 · December 22, 2021

Serial Number 29960531 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 8, 2021

Serial Number 29966161 was reported as accurate.

Reaganlee 53 · September 28, 2021

Serial Number 29966339 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 28, 2021

Serial Number 29966339 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 5, 2021

Serial Number 29965614 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: iI appears the serial numbers in the grey book are
way off (or missing altogether) for this run.
Serial number 59965614 (mine - ebay purchase
9/5/21) is a 12s 21j Colonial - NOT a 16s (1617 as
listed here). The watch movement is marked -
"29965614, Waltham Premier Colonial, 21 jewels,
Adj. Temp., jeweled main wheel, U.S.A.". It also
appears to have a elinvar-type hairspring.
Curator Response: Yes. The later Waltham serial lists are known to be more prone to errors as they appear to have assigned blocks and then completed actual production in a more inconsistent way.

Anonymous · August 26, 2021

Serial Number 29962091 was reported as accurate.

Rcardkidz 3398 · August 22, 2021

Serial Number 29965159 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 30, 2021

Serial Number 29966257 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My Waltham Premier Colonial 29966257 with 21
jewels is a 12s. The rest of the information
appears accurate.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

cliffdobbins Supporter 296 · June 16, 2021

Serial Number 29960531 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Nine Jewels not 17 Jewels
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!

Anonymous · May 15, 2021

Serial Number 29962800 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 15, 2021

Serial Number 29962800 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The watch i have serial #29962800 says 17 Jewels.
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!

Anonymous · April 4, 2021

Serial Number 29963405 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 29963405 s/n is a size 12
Curator Response: According to factory records, this run is 16-Size. The No. 1617 grade was not produced in 12-Size.

Dieselburb 21 · February 25, 2021

Serial Number 29965496 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

jeffercine 3 · February 3, 2021

Serial Number 29967658 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Stamped "Adj. Temp."
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. The database has been updated accordingly.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 27, 2021

Serial Number 29964905 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 17, 2021

Serial Number 29967456 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My watch is 9 jewels and a 12 size movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 25, 2020

Serial Number 29964905 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 25, 2020

Serial Number 29964905 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 24, 2020

Serial Number 29966089 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · August 27, 2020

Serial Number 29959532 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · June 14, 2020

Serial Number 29968385 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Fankhauser 4 · April 16, 2020

Serial Number 29965788 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: this is a nine jewel version
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · April 10, 2020

Serial Number 29968758 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Nine jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 23, 2020

Serial Number 29967484 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement stamped Colonial Premier 9 jewels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Dieselburb 21 · December 7, 2019

Serial Number 29965496 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · September 5, 2019

Serial Number 29960531 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is marked 9 JEWELS and NOT 21
Jewels. Most of these I have seen are 17 Jewels
but this one is an odd one.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · June 21, 2019

Serial Number 29960864 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Colonial 17 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

ba1951 1 · April 19, 2019

Serial Number 29963456 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: my watch # 29963456 is marked Nine Jewel
Curator Response: Thanks for the report!
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

MLS1512 8 · February 14, 2019

Serial Number 29959059 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Stamped 17 Jewels on Movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 13, 2019

Serial Number 29962072 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 9 jewels on the mouvement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Dieselburb 21 · December 23, 2018

Serial Number 29965496 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 7, 2018

Serial Number 29968904 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · August 20, 2018

Serial Number 29964948 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · May 2, 2018

Serial Number 29968375 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Serial number is not a 16 size it is a 10 size
pocket watch movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

colaman6mcq Supporter 151 · April 19, 2018

Serial Number 29959672 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Crescent St., 17 jewels, 16s
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 27, 2018

Serial Number 29966093 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My movement is a nine jewels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 9, 2018

Serial Number 29960168 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 16s crescent st
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 27, 2017

Serial Number 29959561 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Note: this one is marked
"Crescent St." 16S 17 Jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 7, 2017

Serial Number 29959683 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Must be a mixed run because this one is marked
"Crescent St." 16S 17 Jewels with a free regulator
and no sign of adjustments. Cheers. duffy l.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 3, 2017

Serial Number 29964984 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · July 28, 2017

Serial Number 29963412 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is 12 size.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

colaman6mcq Supporter 151 · February 18, 2017

Serial Number 29960393 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 17 jewels, Crescent Street, pendant set.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

ChildofDanu 1 · February 16, 2017

Serial Number 29961590 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement number I entered says it was a 21
jewel movement, but on the bridge is says 17
jewels on my customer's watch.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 15, 2017

Serial Number 29964589 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This is a 21J Colonial Riverside 12s.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Waltham Grade No. 1617 Pocket Watch