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Access Date: December 21, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Ball - Waltham
Grade: Official Standard
| Manufacturer: | Ball - Waltham |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Waltham, Massachusetts | |
| Movement Serial Number: | B640517 | |
| Grade: | Official Standard | |
| Model: | 1899 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1903 | |
| Run Quantity: | 800 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 106 of 107 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 71,861 | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Finish Pattern: | Circular | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Regulator: | Reed | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
| U.S. Patents: | D26267, D32330 | |
| Movement Markings: | Official RR Standard Ball Watch Co. Cleveland, O. 17 Jewels Adjusted Sapphire Pallets Trade Mark Pat.Nov.17.96 |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Database Version: | v52.517 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 213.95 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1,381.31 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 75.276% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 7 (0.88%) | |
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Research Note: #B640705: 17j, BofFLE [JH]; Overlapped Production. These serial numbers were also used by Hamilton for Ball production. See the Ball Hamilton data if movement does not match.; Corresponds to Waltham Serial run starting with #12,640,001
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Population Registry for This Run
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There are 7 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
steve288 264 · March 21, 2022
Serial Number B640544 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Further to previous I believe this to be Hamilton
as it has Hamilton Stud, Hamilton click, and the
movement retaining screws are sited differently to
Ball Walthams that I have, also it's 21j
as it has Hamilton Stud, Hamilton click, and the
movement retaining screws are sited differently to
Ball Walthams that I have, also it's 21j
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · August 15, 2021
Serial Number B640367 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This one is clearly marked "21 Jewels" and appears
in all respects to be a 999P. Cheers. duffy l.
in all respects to be a 999P. Cheers. duffy l.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · July 2, 2021
Serial Number B640718 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: It is marked as a 17 Jewel not 19 Jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · November 6, 2020
Serial Number B640187 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · August 6, 2020
Serial Number B640418 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: B640418 marked as 21j (not 19), everything else
seems to be correct including lever set, railway
grade etc.
seems to be correct including lever set, railway
grade etc.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · August 6, 2020
Serial Number B640418 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
021666 41 · March 18, 2020
Serial Number B640450 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This watch is stamped 21 Jewel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
dfchong 837 · January 27, 2020
Serial Number B640155 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · December 19, 2019
Serial Number B640722 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · September 14, 2019
Serial Number B640707 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · February 21, 2019
Serial Number B640401 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · January 14, 2019
Serial Number B640401 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · November 16, 2018
Serial Number B640517 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · August 5, 2018
Serial Number B640373 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Joerealtor 74 · February 16, 2018
Serial Number B640517 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: marked 21 jewels, not 19
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Joerealtor 74 · February 16, 2018
Serial Number B640517 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · November 23, 2017
Serial Number B640421 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · November 19, 2017
Serial Number B640697 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This watch is marked as "17 Jewels", Not 19.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
alhoward 1 · November 10, 2017
Serial Number B640509 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: says 19j mine is 21 jewel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
retireenow 11 · November 3, 2017
Serial Number B640677 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Watch marked 21J vs 19J
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · October 12, 2017
Serial Number B640509 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 21 jewel 5p adj
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · June 22, 2017
Serial Number B640180 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This one IS a Waltham Model 1899!! Must be a very
mixed run. Cheers. duffy l.
mixed run. Cheers. duffy l.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · June 14, 2017
Serial Number B640564 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Same comment as my last note. This is a Ball
Hamilton marked 21J etc. Cheers. duffy l.
Hamilton marked 21J etc. Cheers. duffy l.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · April 27, 2017
Serial Number B640307 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This one is marked "21 jewels" and is clearly a
Ball Hamilton, probably 999P, with the
Hamilton-style winding clutch and dial feet
located for a Hamilton dial, not Waltham. Cheers.
duffy l.
Ball Hamilton, probably 999P, with the
Hamilton-style winding clutch and dial feet
located for a Hamilton dial, not Waltham. Cheers.
duffy l.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · March 20, 2017
Serial Number B640076 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · January 3, 2017
Serial Number B640747 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This serial number says 17 jewels on the movement.
Ball, Cleveland, RR Official Standard-yes. Face
has smaller numbers than B640421
Ball, Cleveland, RR Official Standard-yes. Face
has smaller numbers than B640421
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Gimparoo Supporter 703 · December 4, 2016
Serial Number B640551 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
dfchong 837 · November 15, 2016
Serial Number B640560 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · October 1, 2016
Serial Number B640125 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · June 10, 2016
Serial Number B640256 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 21 JEWELS
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · February 12, 2016
Serial Number B640256 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · January 3, 2016
Serial Number B640375 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · December 24, 2015
Serial Number B640376 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This is a 21 j official standard not a 19j or
ORRS
ORRS
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
Anonymous · October 21, 2015
Serial Number B640018 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
dammit101 25 · June 10, 2015
Serial Number B640425 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
dammit101 25 · May 22, 2015
Serial Number B640425 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · April 5, 2015
Serial Number B640184 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
Anonymous · April 4, 2015
Serial Number B640005 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · January 3, 2015
Serial Number B640124 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
Anonymous · July 10, 2014
Serial Number B640421 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
Anonymous · February 8, 2014
Serial Number B640084 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: S/N B640084 description is accurate except this
watch is not a Brotherhood model it is an ORRS.
watch is not a Brotherhood model it is an ORRS.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
rocket00 236 · January 15, 2014
Serial Number B640241 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
rocket00 236 · January 10, 2014
Serial Number B640241 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · December 13, 2013
Serial Number B640473 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
cnrengr 24 · December 9, 2013
Serial Number B640241 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 21 jewels Ball Hamilton 1930 -1934
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
Anonymous · October 26, 2013
Serial Number B640707 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · October 21, 2013
Serial Number B640152 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Anonymous · July 8, 2013
Serial Number B640473 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: B640473 is a 21J grade 999 Hamilton-Ball mvt.
The Ball organization "forgot" that they had
Waltham suppy 17J & 19J ORRS mvts in 1903 bearing
S/Ns B640001-B640800 & 17J Commercial Standard
mvts S/N B640801-B641000. In the 1930s they had
Hamilton duplicate the S/Ns on 16S, 21J ORRS mvts.
Keep up the good work, Kent Singer
The Ball organization "forgot" that they had
Waltham suppy 17J & 19J ORRS mvts in 1903 bearing
S/Ns B640001-B640800 & 17J Commercial Standard
mvts S/N B640801-B641000. In the 1930s they had
Hamilton duplicate the S/Ns on 16S, 21J ORRS mvts.
Keep up the good work, Kent Singer
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 999 to Official Standard
Jewels changed from 19j to 17j
Plate changed from Unknown to 3/4
