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Access Date: April 21, 2025
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 454 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 454

Father Time

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 20713788 Question Mark
Grade: 454 Question Mark
Variation: Father Time Question Mark
Model: 15 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1918 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 5 of 52 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 64,000 Question Mark
Size: 16s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby & Sapphire Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Gold Settings (Screw-Set) Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Double Roller: Yes Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Traveling Nut (spring) Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class A Question Mark
Wind Indicator: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 10408.454G5.16S2563.1615M110.O4256.L2183.21J255 Question Mark
Data Research: 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.640 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 193.94 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 74.40 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.126% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		5 (0.50%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 4.61% Analyzing 649 Sales Question Mark
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 454

Target Profile: 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME

Elgin Grade 454 (All Variations): 64,000 ETP
16S: 64,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 454
16S-M15: 64,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 454, Model 15
16S-M15-21J: 64,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 454, Model 15, 21 Jewels
16S-M15-21J-ONL: 64,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 454, Model 15, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 64,000 100.00%
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME: 64,000 100.00%

Population Registry for This Run

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · November 29, 2023

Serial Number 20713943 was reported as accurate.

updown655 25 · December 4, 2022

Serial Number 20713151 was reported as accurate.

Walter 63 · July 6, 2022

Serial Number 20713748 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 11, 2021

Serial Number 20713502 was reported as accurate.

dfchong 837 · April 17, 2019

Serial Number 20713435 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 17, 2019

Serial Number 20713182 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 2, 2019

Serial Number 20713168 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 18, 2018

Serial Number 20713182 was reported as accurate.

MikeStanford 20 · October 8, 2015

Serial Number 20713132 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: On eBay 10/15, sold as movement & dial only; no
case or hands.
Wind indicator NOT present

Anonymous · January 2, 2013

Serial Number 20713316 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: There is no winding indicator.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes

Anonymous · December 13, 2012

Serial Number 20713316 was reported as accurate.

Elgin Grade 454 Pocket Watch