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https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/303431
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Access Date: November 21, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 12
M.D. Ogden
Private Label(s) in Run:
Jaccard & Co. - Kansas City Mo.
B.A. Westhoff - Milwaukee, Wis.
What is a Private Label?| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 303431 | |
| Grade: | 12 | |
| Variation: | M.D. Ogden | |
| Model: | 1 | |
| Class: | 5 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1873 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 39 of 59 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 70,255 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 37,902 (18S-M1-11J-HGK-U-M.D. OGDEN) | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 11j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Adaptable | |
| Movement Finish: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Key | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Slow | |
| Regulator: | Plain | |
| Adjusted: | No | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 283.12G39.18S263.181M246.H282.K265.11J136 | |
| Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.449 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 211.52 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 81.68 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.139% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 22 (2.20%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 0% Analyzing 221 Sales | |
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Research Note: #303270: Private Label for Jaccard & Co., Kansas City Mo. (Cutout), #303086: Private Label for "B.A. Westhoff - Milwaukee, Wis." (Cutout).
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 12
Target Profile: 18S-M1-11J-HGK-U-M.D. OGDEN
| Elgin Grade 12 (All Variations): 70,255 ETP | ||
| 18S: 70,255 100.00% 18s, Grade 12 |
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| 18S-M1: 70,255 100.00% 18s, Grade 12, Model 1 |
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| 18S-M1-11J: 40,408 57.52% 18s, Grade 12, Model 1, 11 Jewels |
Other: 29,847
Other Jewels or Unclassified |
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| 18S-M1-11J-HGK: 40,408 57.52% 18s, Grade 12, Model 1, 11 Jewels, Adaptable/Key/Gilt |
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| 18S-M1-11J-HGK-U: 40,408 57.52% | ||
| 18S-M1-11J-HGK-U-M.D. OGDEN: 37,902 53.95% | Other: 2,506
Other Variants or Unclassified |
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Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 22 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · October 28, 2024
Serial Number 303346 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: PRIVATE LABEL / A.S. Galentine, Bourbon, Indiana.
/ Open balance cock / 11 jewels / Serial # 303,346
/ MANF'D ELGIN ILLS
/ Open balance cock / 11 jewels / Serial # 303,346
/ MANF'D ELGIN ILLS
1tc603 7 · January 20, 2022
Serial Number 303184 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: The number serial number indicated is actually the
case number.
In Fact the Actual Mo ment Serual Number is
8999798 which is correct as is the data base
information using the correct movement serisl
number Not the Case Number.
Seller is deliberately causing confusion e en
after they were notified of their error.
Serisl number hats to see on movements in posted
picture so seller willy nilly posted one of the
casting serial numbers front cover differs from
back cover and insist that's the serial number so
appears watch is higher grade higher jewels than
actually has.
Here is the true and correct information on the
this watch posted on Ebay
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elg
in/8999798
case number.
In Fact the Actual Mo ment Serual Number is
8999798 which is correct as is the data base
information using the correct movement serisl
number Not the Case Number.
Seller is deliberately causing confusion e en
after they were notified of their error.
Serisl number hats to see on movements in posted
picture so seller willy nilly posted one of the
casting serial numbers front cover differs from
back cover and insist that's the serial number so
appears watch is higher grade higher jewels than
actually has.
Here is the true and correct information on the
this watch posted on Ebay
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elg
in/8999798
Rickhufnagel7 Top Contributor Elgin Expert Hampden Expert Supporter 630 · January 6, 2022
Serial Number 303683 was reported as accurate.
Rickhufnagel7 Top Contributor Elgin Expert Hampden Expert Supporter 630 · January 3, 2021
Serial Number 303431 was reported as accurate.
Rickhufnagel7 Top Contributor Elgin Expert Hampden Expert Supporter 630 · September 20, 2020
Serial Number 303615 was reported as accurate.
Rickhufnagel7 Top Contributor Elgin Expert Hampden Expert Supporter 630 · June 28, 2020
Serial Number 303718 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 27, 2020
Serial Number 303438 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 16, 2019
Serial Number 303951 was reported as accurate.
Madawna 1 · August 14, 2018
Serial Number 303519 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 18, 2018
Serial Number 303662 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 9, 2018
Serial Number 303662 was reported as accurate.
Longhunter56 13 · October 3, 2015
Serial Number 303587 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 303587 is 11 jewels not 7 jewels as listed in the
database.
database.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · September 18, 2015
Serial Number 303683 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: THIS WATCH IS A PRIVATE LABEL: B.H. BROER, TOLEDO,
O.; 11 JEWELS;
O.; 11 JEWELS;
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · June 29, 2015
Serial Number 303331 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · August 18, 2014
Serial Number 303344 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · April 11, 2014
Serial Number 303846 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · February 1, 2013
Serial Number 303161 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · January 31, 2013
Serial Number 303668 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Priv Label 11j Pierced Balance Cock
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · October 6, 2012
Serial Number 303293 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · July 5, 2012
Serial Number 303293 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Open face.Maybe 15 jewels.Also has skeletonised
balance bridge.Movement marked T H?
Bode,Chicago.Mfd elgin,Ills.Dial marked ELGIN
NAT"L WATCH CO>
balance bridge.Movement marked T H?
Bode,Chicago.Mfd elgin,Ills.Dial marked ELGIN
NAT"L WATCH CO>
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · July 5, 2012
Serial Number 303293 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · May 22, 2012
Serial Number 303293 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Open face watch.Ehrhardt also says gr.12 hunting
case but dates it at 1875.
case but dates it at 1875.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
Anonymous · April 11, 2012
Serial Number 303293 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 7J to 11j
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