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"8145" could possibly indicate the grade of the watch and not the serial number of your movement. Serial numbers are usually more than a few digits.
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 57 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 57

G.M. Wheeler

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 8145 Question Mark
Grade: 57 Question Mark
Variation: G.M. Wheeler Question Mark
Model: 1 Question Mark
Class: 4 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1867 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 2 of 87 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 75,146 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 70,346 (18S-M1-11J) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 11j Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Adaptable Question Mark
Movement Finish: Gilt Question Mark
Movement Setting: Key Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Slow Question Mark
Regulator: Plain Question Mark
Adjusted: No Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 10.57G2.18S9.181M9.H9.K9.11J2 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.560 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
226.35 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
87.37 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.149% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
9 (0.90%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): -7.32% Analyzing 404 Sales Question Mark

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · August 23, 2024

Serial Number 8645 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My Elgin Serial number of 8645 stamped â„–.2703 is
engraved with H.Z. Culver and not Wheeler.

cmdraven 4083 · May 30, 2022

Serial Number 8987 was reported as accurate.

23Greenwich Supporter 260 · April 6, 2022

Serial Number 8364 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 21, 2022

Serial Number 8668 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 8, 2022

Serial Number 8429 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 30, 2020

Serial Number 8687 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 2, 2020

Serial Number 8880 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: the number is the same but my sub movement is now
Wheeler. my watches sub movement is JT Ryerson
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

VDoperator 2 · May 19, 2020

Serial Number 8225 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · January 13, 2020

Serial Number 8082 was reported as accurate.

hawk613 Supporter 32 · February 5, 2017

Serial Number 8415 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Not B W Raymond......marked "G M Wheeler"
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 13j to 11j

Anonymous · April 13, 2016

Serial Number 8371 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 13j to 11j

Anonymous · November 9, 2015

Serial Number 8008 was reported as accurate.

wdholmes83 1 · October 2, 2015

Serial Number 8297 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · June 1, 2015

Serial Number 8101 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · April 17, 2015

Serial Number 8392 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 20, 2014

Serial Number 8242 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: movement is a B. W. Raymond

Anonymous · January 25, 2014

Serial Number 8429 was reported as accurate.

Sliide 28 · October 25, 2013

Serial Number 8194 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 31, 2013

Serial Number 8512 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 24, 2013

Serial Number 8025 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 19, 2012

Serial Number 8685 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · September 6, 2012

Serial Number 8145 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 21, 2012

Serial Number 8145 was reported as accurate.

Elgin Grade 57 Pocket Watch