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Access Date: May 22, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Illinois Watch Co.
Grade: 405
| Manufacturer: | Illinois |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Springfield, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 4974086 | |
| Grade: | 405 | |
| Model: | 3 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1927 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,400 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 390,670 | |
| Size: | 12s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Raised Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Setting: | Pendant | |
| Plate: | Bridge Plate | |
| Bridge Type: | Center | |
| Double Roller: | Yes | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Regulator: | Reed | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 3 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| Dial Feet Locations: | 20.5, 39.0, 55.0 | |
| Case Screw Locations: | 2.5, 35.5 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Database Version: | v52.297 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1,175.01 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 4,044.15 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 6.866% | |
| Registry Population: | 12 (0.86%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 0% Analyzing 2,121 Sales | |
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Research Note: Most references designate this run as Type III 21 Jewel Bunn Special. However, original factory records indicate this run was produced as Grade 405 (12-Size, Model 3, 17 Jewels). While Megger's research list indicates a Bunn Special was observed in this run, no modern observation has been logged, and several surviving examples from this run suggest the Grade 405 classification is correct.
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Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 12 watches in the population registry for this run.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · April 26, 2021
Serial Number 4974278 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Looks like a grade 405/406, not marked "127" --
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143658870573?hash=item21
72bc672d:g:BU0AAOSwLrlersAT
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143658870573?hash=item21
72bc672d:g:BU0AAOSwLrlersAT
Curator Response: Verified. [eBay #143658870573]. Movement is not marked "127" but other characteristics are consistent (12s, False Center Bridge, "17 Jewels"," "Adjusted," "Double Roller," and "cog wheel" damaskeened design on the winding wheels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 127 to 405
Anonymous · April 15, 2021
Serial Number 4974317 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 127 to 405
Anonymous · February 24, 2019
Serial Number 4974435 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 127 to 405
Anonymous · February 24, 2019
Serial Number 4974435 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 127 to 405
Anonymous · March 19, 2018
Serial Number 4974651 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-ILLINOIS-GOLD-FIL
LED-POCKET-WATCH-17-JEWELS/391996339066?hash=item5
b44cd737a:g:RIEAAOSwI51aoazK
Looks like a 127 - different winding wheel
damascening, pressed balance jewels
LED-POCKET-WATCH-17-JEWELS/391996339066?hash=item5
b44cd737a:g:RIEAAOSwI51aoazK
Looks like a 127 - different winding wheel
damascening, pressed balance jewels
Curator Response: I agree with this assessment. The Grade 127 was an "updated" 405, so the features are nearly identical.
visteo 60 · September 14, 2014
Serial Number 4973788 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Definitely not Bunn - saw on ebay and looks very
much like a 405. It is 17 J.
much like a 405. It is 17 J.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from Bunn Special to 405
Size changed from 16 to 12
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Factory Model changed from 8 to 3
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted # Positions changed from 6 to 3
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
kleighton 9 · September 7, 2014
Serial Number 4973788 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 17j and does not say "Bunn Special"
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from Bunn Special to 405
Size changed from 16 to 12
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Factory Model changed from 8 to 3
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted # Positions changed from 6 to 3
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Anonymous · April 16, 2014
Serial Number 4974086 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 4974086 is a 17 jewel open face watch model 7 or 9
On the nickel mvt. is serial #, adjusted,
illinois watch co. springfield, 17 jewels.
On the nickel mvt. is serial #, adjusted,
illinois watch co. springfield, 17 jewels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from Bunn Special to 405
Size changed from 16 to 12
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Factory Model changed from 8 to 3
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted # Positions changed from 6 to 3
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Anonymous · January 4, 2014
Serial Number 4973889 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from Bunn Special to 405
Size changed from 16 to 12
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Factory Model changed from 8 to 3
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Adjusted # Positions changed from 6 to 3
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Anonymous · August 8, 2013
Serial Number 4974160 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 415 to 405
Size changed from 16 to 12
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Factory Model changed from 8 to 3
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Anonymous · February 5, 2013
Serial Number 4973891 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 17 jewel size 12
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 415 to 405
Size changed from 16 to 12
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Factory Model changed from 8 to 3
Movement Setting changed from Lever to Pendant
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
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