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Access Date: November 22, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 239 Pocket Watch
Elgin Grade 239 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 239

Veritas

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 10441570 Question Mark
Grade: 239 Question Mark
Variation: Veritas Question Mark
Model: 8 Question Mark
Generation: First Question Mark
Class: 90 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1904 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 10 of 17 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 18,800 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 16,500 (18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-VERITAS) Question Mark
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: 1,200 Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Raised Gold Settings (Screw-Set) Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Signing Style: Mixed Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Black Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Safety Question Mark
Balance Jewel Material: Diamond Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Train Material: Gold Question Mark
Center Wheel Material: Gold Question Mark
Regulator: Traveling Nut (spring) Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Escapement Type: Straight-line Question Mark
Pallet Jewel Material: Sapphire Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class A Question Mark
Wind Indicator: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 596407, 77078, 596408 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Veritas
Elgin, Ill.
U.S.A.
21 Jewels
Adjusted
Safety Barrel
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 4332.239G10.18S2149.188M30.O1272.L1525.21J106 Question Mark
Data Research: 1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.450 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 56.60 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 21.82 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.037% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		17 (1.70%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): -3.00% Analyzing 219 Sales Question Mark
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 239

Target Profile: 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-VERITAS

Elgin Grade 239 (All Variations): 18,800 ETP
18S: 18,800 100.00%
18s, Grade 239
18S-M8: 18,800 100.00%
18s, Grade 239, Model 8
18S-M8-21J: 18,800 100.00%
18s, Grade 239, Model 8, 21 Jewels
18S-M8-21J-ONL: 18,800 100.00%
18s, Grade 239, Model 8, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 18,800 100.00%
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-VERITAS: 16,500 87.77% Other: 2,300
Other Variants or Unclassified
NOTE: 20,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 1,200 Never Manufactured

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
There are 17 watches in the population registry for this run with 3 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · February 21, 2022

Serial Number 10441114 was reported as accurate.

billkov 98 · January 8, 2021

Serial Number 10441316 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Yes to No

Anonymous · October 30, 2020

Serial Number 10441114 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Yes to No

Anonymous · July 10, 2018

Serial Number 10441353 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Yes to No

kevinvan 1 · March 12, 2018

Serial Number 10441204 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Yes to No

Anonymous · March 12, 2018

Serial Number 10441204 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Yes to No

Anonymous · January 26, 2018

Serial Number 10441026 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Elgin-Veritas-21j-18s-OF-
Grade-239-Gold-Filled-Lever-Set-Pocket-Watch-54-5m
m-RUN/112767536523?hash=item1a41780d8b:g:t3cAAOSwq
aJaZGLt
picture shows ruby balance end cap, not diamond
Curator Response: Confirmed. Earlier variations are described as containing ruby jewels (not ruby, sapphire, and diamaond as mentioned in later descriptions).
Changes since this report was submitted:
Double Roller changed from Yes to No

Anonymous · February 7, 2016

Serial Number 10441109 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 30, 2016

Serial Number 10441542 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 3, 2014

Serial Number 10441683 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 9, 2014

Serial Number 10441184 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 7, 2014

Serial Number 10441045 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 1, 2013

Serial Number 10441054 was reported as accurate.

LeroyC 392 · June 5, 2013

Serial Number 10441781 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: No wind indicator
Marked 'ADJUSTED' on balance cock
Marked 'ADJUSTED 5 POSITIONS' on barrel bridge
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Bluejay 179 · June 3, 2013

Serial Number 10441781 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Adjusted 5 Positions marked on 3/4 plate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · January 21, 2013

Serial Number 10441973 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: No Winding Indicator.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · January 15, 2013

Serial Number 10441873 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Double Roller changed from Unknown to No

Anonymous · December 22, 2012

Serial Number 10441774 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · September 15, 2012

Serial Number 10441504 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Elgin Grade 239 Pocket Watch
Elgin Grade 239 Pocket Watch