Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 334 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 334

Official RR Standard

Manufacturer: Elgin
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number: 11858348
Grade: 334
Model: 11
Class: 121
Estimated Production Year: 1905
Run Quantity: 1,000
Grade/Model Run: 1 of 2
Grade/Model Total Production: 1,500
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: 500
Size: 18s
Jewels: 21j
Jewel Setting: Gold Settings (Screw-Set)
Movement Configuration: Openface
Movement Finish: Nickel
Movement Inlay Color: Gilt
Movement Setting: Lever
Plate: Full Plate
Double Roller: Yes
Barrel: Going
Train: Quick
Regulator: Ball
Pallet Jewel Material: Sapphire
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Temperature: No
Adjustment Tolerance: [30] DU/PU Reg. +/- 30 s/24hrs.
Railroad Grade: Yes
U.S. Patents: 565955, D26267, 77078, 347272
Movement Markings: Ball Watch Co.
Cleveland, O.
Official RR Standard
333
Double Roller
21 Jewels
Sapphire Pallets
Adjusted
Trade Mark
Patented No. 17.96.
Pat. Aug. 18.96.
Data Research: 1909 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case: Various
Run ID: 5143.334G1.18S2417.1811M5.O1621.L1675.21J134
Database Version: v52.219
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
4.49
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
1.69
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.003%
Registry Population: 18 (1.80%)
Research Note: Recorded in original serial lists as Grade "Special." Marked "333" on Movement

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


garydurie Supporter 29 · September 7, 2023

Serial Number 11858897 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement says 333
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. These movements manufactured for Ball at the Elgin are marked "333" but recieved factory grade designations that differ from the markings (Grades 327-334). These have all been documented accordingly.

Anonymous · June 16, 2023

Serial Number 11858012 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 11, 2023

Serial Number 11858012 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · November 14, 2022

Serial Number 11858715 was reported as accurate.

DaveReid 52 · October 29, 2022

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

AbellWatch Supporter 7 · August 12, 2022

Serial Number 11858384 was reported as accurate.

Blicquer Supporter 75 · July 10, 2022

Serial Number 11858348 was reported as accurate.

hiyumash423 Supporter 3 · March 3, 2022

Serial Number 11858140 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Your info calls the movement 334 grade. The
movement is marked 333 grade. Serial # 11858140
Ball
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. These movements manufactured for Ball at the Elgin are marked "333" but recieved factory grade designations that differ from the markings (Grades 327-224). These have all been documented accordingly.

DaveReid 52 · August 7, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

DaveReid 52 · July 11, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

DaveReid 52 · July 10, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

steve288 264 · June 7, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

keywind 12 · April 14, 2021

Serial Number 11858470 was reported as accurate.

chuck1500 112 · January 19, 2021

Serial Number 11858912 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 27, 2020

Serial Number 11858867 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 27, 2020

Serial Number 11858313 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 15, 2019

Serial Number 11858939 was reported as accurate.

barberr1 67 · May 11, 2018

Serial Number 11858302 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 5, 2018

Serial Number 11858827 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked 21 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 333 to 334
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · January 24, 2018

Serial Number 11858836 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 24, 2018

Serial Number 11858836 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 19, 2017

Serial Number 11858114 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 10, 2016

Serial Number 11858508 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 25, 2016

Serial Number 11858092 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 25, 2016

Serial Number 11858092 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 1, 2015

Serial Number 11858239 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 1, 2015

Serial Number 11858239 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 12, 2014

Serial Number 11858760 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: MODEL: 12; PLATE: FULL PLATE;
Changes since this report was submitted:
Plate changed from Unknown to Full

Anonymous · September 3, 2014

Serial Number 11858760 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 2, 2014

Serial Number 11858760 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Grade 333

hank123 8 · April 24, 2014

Serial Number 11858251 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: my example clearly mkd adjusted
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · January 2, 2014

Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 6, 2013

Serial Number 11858249 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 9, 2013

Serial Number 11858931 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This is engraved Ball Watch Co., g334
(made by Elgin)
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

mudhead 13 · August 6, 2013

Serial Number 11858560 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 17, 2013

Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 17, 2013

Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 4, 2013

Serial Number 11858109 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · February 20, 2013

Serial Number 11858837 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Signed
Grade 333
Ball
Official Railroad Standard
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Elgin Grade 334 Pocket Watch