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Access Date: November 25, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 343
Mixed: Elgin Natl. Watch Co, Overland, G.M. Wheeler, and Private Labels
Manufacturer: | Elgin | |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
Movement Serial Number: | 12285119 | |
Grade: | 343 | |
Variation: | Mixed | |
Model: | 7 | |
Class: | 122 | |
Estimated Production Year: | 1906 | |
Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
Grade/Model Run: | 1 of 1 | |
Grade/Model Total Production: | 1,000 | |
Size: | 18s | |
Jewels: | 17j | |
Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
Movement Inlay Color: | Black | |
Movement Setting: | Lever | |
Plate: | Full Plate | |
Barrel: | Going | |
Train: | Quick | |
Regulator: | Moseley | |
Adjusted: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Temperature: | No | |
Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
U.S. Patents: | 77078, 347272 | |
Movement Markings: | Overland [or "G.M. Wheeler"] [or "Elgin Natl. Watch Co.] [or "The Atlantic - N. Gamse - New York] Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 17 Jewels Adjusted |
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Case: | Various | |
Run ID: | 5388.343G1.18S2479.187M100.O1705.L1712.17J600 | |
Data Research: |
1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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Database Version: | v52.462 | |
Advanced Metrics | ||
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 3.01 | |
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1.11 | |
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.002% | |
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 12 (1.20%) | |
Research Note: #12285095: Reported as Private Label Marked “The Atlantic” for “N. Gamse New York.” [NAWCC]
#12285119: Verified as Private Label Marked “The Atlantic - N. Gamse. - New York - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” [PWDB] #12285274: Verified as Marked “Elgin Nat’l. Watch Co. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion” with “A.N. Anderson Standard Time” dial. [watchesbyhourminsec] #12285282: Reported as Private Label for A.N. Anderson. (Verified Dial Marked “A.N. Anderson Standard Time”) [Barnebys] #12285297: Reported as Marked “Elgin Nat’l. Watch Co.” with “A.N. Anderson Dial” [IHC] #12285517: Verified as Marked “Overland - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” [FB] #12285535: Verified as Marked “Overland - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” [Milanuncios] #12285595 Verified as Marked "Overland - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” [NAWCC] #12285608: Verified as Marked “G.M. Wheeler - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” [SH] #12285630 Verified as Marked "G.M. Wheeler - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A." on barrel bridge. These movements each have a different damaskeening pattern. [NAWCC] #12285821: Strong statistical evidence of a surviving example. #12285974: Verified as Marked "Overland - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” #12285982: Reported as surviving Grade 343 example [NAWCC]. Based on these observations of surviving examples, it is likely the first batch of movements [12285001-~12285200] were marked ”The Atlantic” and sold by N. Gamse. The next batch [~12285201-12285300] were sold to A.N. Anderson, marked “Elgin Nat’l. Watch Co. U.S.A.” and furnished with dials marked “A.N. Anderson Standard Time.” There is a notable gap between ~12285301-~12285500. However, statistical evidence supports that production continued through this block, but we currently lack explicit reports of surviving examples. The next batch [~12285501-~12285600] was marked “Overland - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A.” The next batch [~12285601-~12285650] were marked “G.M. Wheeler - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A.” These serial number splits are subject to change in the future as additional information is discovered. There is also strong statistical support of a surviving example at serial #12285821 and a reported “Grade 343” surviving example at #12285982. #12285974 has been verified as marked "Overland - Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion.” This suggests the last 100 movements may feature mixed markings. |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 343
Target Profile: 18S-M7-17J-ONL-AP-MIXED
Elgin Grade 343 (All Variations): 1,000 ETP |
18S: 1,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 343 |
18S-M7: 1,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 343, Model 7 |
18S-M7-17J: 1,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 343, Model 7, 17 Jewels |
18S-M7-17J-ONL: 1,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 343, Model 7, 17 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
18S-M7-17J-ONL-AP: 1,000 100.00% |
18S-M7-17J-ONL-AP-MIXED: 1,000 100.00% |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 12 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Yochanan 1 · June 17, 2023
Serial Number 12285974 was reported as accurate.
Time4U 47 · July 20, 2021
Serial Number 12285277 was reported as accurate.
lealmy 5 · November 26, 2019
Serial Number 12285198 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 4, 2016
Serial Number 12285434 was reported as inaccurate.
Numbers by Roy Ehrhardt, this movement is railroad
grade.
Anonymous · February 2, 2016
Serial Number 12285340 was reported as accurate.
jerrydk7 227 · December 29, 2013
Serial Number 12285554 was reported as accurate.
LeroyC 392 · September 4, 2013
Serial Number 12285422 was reported as inaccurate.