Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 12784388 (Grade 270)

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Access Date: November 24, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 270

Veritas

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	12784388
Grade:	270
Variation:	Veritas
Model:	9
Class:	98
Estimated Production Year:	1907
Run Quantity:	1,000
Grade/Model Run:	13 of 14
Grade/Model Total Production:	12,000
Variant Est. Production:	3,450 (16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI-VERITAS)
Size:	16s
Jewels:	21j
Jewel Material:	Ruby
Jewel Setting:	Gold Settings (Screw-Set)
Movement Configuration:	Openface
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Inlay Color:	Gilt
Movement Setting:	Lever
Plate:	Bridge Plate
Bridge Type:	3-Finger
Double Roller:	Yes
Barrel:	Going
Train:	Quick
Train Material:	Gold
Center Wheel Material:	Gold
Regulator:	Moseley
Hairspring:	Breguet
Standard Dial Type:	Double-Sunk
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted # of Positions:	5
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Adjusted to Isochronism:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
Railroad Grade Classification:	Class A
U.S. Patents:	77078, 596407
Movement Markings:	Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. [or Veritas Elgin, Ill.] No. 270 U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted Safety Pinion
Case:	Various
Run ID:	5692.270G13.16S1250.169M18.O1835.L1747.21J143
Data Research:	1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Database Version:	v52.457
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	36.13
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	13.90
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.024%
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only	22 (2.20%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change):	-12.57% Analyzing 113 Sales

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 270

Target Profile: 16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI-VERITAS

Elgin Grade 270 (All Variations): 12,000 ETP
16S: 12,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 270
16S-M9: 12,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 270, Model 9
16S-M9-21J: 12,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 270, Model 9, 21 Jewels
16S-M9-21J-ONL: 12,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 270, Model 9, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 12,000 100.00%
16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI-VERITAS: 3,450 28.75%	Other: 8,550 Other Variants or Unclassified

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

ultimatekaiser 48 · February 18, 2023

Serial Number 12784085 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 20, 2022

Serial Number 12784085 was reported as accurate.

cranemaker Supporter 82 · April 10, 2022

Serial Number 12784388 was reported as accurate.

10mueller 38 · June 11, 2021

Serial Number 12784647 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 29, 2021

Serial Number 12784634 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 6, 2021

Serial Number 12784634 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 10, 2021

Serial Number 12784715 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 31, 2020

Serial Number 12784923 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 3, 2019

Serial Number 12784620 was reported as accurate.

tkarter 184 · October 31, 2018

Serial Number 12784899 was reported as accurate.

tkarter 184 · October 12, 2018

Serial Number 12784899 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 22, 2018

Serial Number 12784548 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 15, 2018

Serial Number 12784388 was reported as accurate.

timeclock2 Supporter 2 · December 19, 2017

Serial Number 12784199 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: I examined this veritas model and found a triple
sunk dial.

Curator Response: Thanks for the report. Your dial is certainly double-sunk. One sunk level for the seconds and another at the center of the dial.