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Access Date: February 18, 2025
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 371
B.W. Raymond
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 14226471 | |
| Grade: | 371 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond | |
| Model: | 14 | |
| Class: | 126 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1910 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 1 of 4 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 4,000 | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 19j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Hunting | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Barrel: | Jeweled Safety | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 6484.371G1.16S1448.1614M1.H4186.L1893.19J62 | |
| Data Research: |
1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.608 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 12.04 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 4.60 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.008% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 12 (1.20%) | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 371
Target Profile: 16S-M14-19J-HNL-A5P-B.W. RAYMOND
| Elgin Grade 371 (All Variations): 4,000 ETP |
| 16S: 4,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 371 |
| 16S-M14: 4,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 371, Model 14 |
| 16S-M14-19J: 4,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 371, Model 14, 19 Jewels |
| 16S-M14-19J-HNL: 4,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 371, Model 14, 19 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Nickel |
| 16S-M14-19J-HNL-A5P: 4,000 100.00% |
| 16S-M14-19J-HNL-A5P-B.W. RAYMOND: 4,000 100.00% |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 12 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · April 18, 2023
Serial Number 14226319 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 12, 2022
Serial Number 14226388 was reported as accurate.
cloudjcc363 13 · February 10, 2020
Serial Number 14226471 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: The Elgin Grade 371 hunting case pocket watch WAS
a railroad grade watch. At the time of its
production, railroads were still approving hunting
case watches for time service. Ref:
https://mb.nawcc.org/wiki/Railroad-Watch "Neither
Ball, nor the CB&Q (or other roads) specifically
prohibited hunting-case watches until the 1920s,
or much later on some roads. Except for those
hunting-case movements mounted in open-face cases
with conversion dials (as alluded to above),
hunting-case watches aren't mentioned in 1908 -
1920s (or later on some roads) rules documents. "
It's a common mistake to assume that the rules of
time service that later prohibited hunting case
watches from time service, but that wasn't the
case when this watch was made, approximately 1910
a railroad grade watch. At the time of its
production, railroads were still approving hunting
case watches for time service. Ref:
https://mb.nawcc.org/wiki/Railroad-Watch "Neither
Ball, nor the CB&Q (or other roads) specifically
prohibited hunting-case watches until the 1920s,
or much later on some roads. Except for those
hunting-case movements mounted in open-face cases
with conversion dials (as alluded to above),
hunting-case watches aren't mentioned in 1908 -
1920s (or later on some roads) rules documents. "
It's a common mistake to assume that the rules of
time service that later prohibited hunting case
watches from time service, but that wasn't the
case when this watch was made, approximately 1910
Anonymous · November 20, 2019
Serial Number 14226402 was reported as accurate.
cloudjcc363 13 · February 25, 2019
Serial Number 14226471 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 2, 2018
Serial Number 14226481 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 19, 2018
Serial Number 14226481 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 9, 2018
Serial Number 14226481 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Hello Why wouldn't movement be railroad grade.
Adjusted to 5 positions, 19 jewels, Lever set.
Thanx
Adjusted to 5 positions, 19 jewels, Lever set.
Thanx
Curator Response: This watch is hunting style, which generally would not have been approved on many railroads during the estimated time of production, c.1910.
Anonymous · December 21, 2017
Serial Number 14226060 was reported as accurate.
cloudjcc363 13 · January 24, 2017
Serial Number 14226471 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 13, 2016
Serial Number 14226319 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Both the Erhardt & Meggers Railroad guide book and
the Townsend RR guide book list the BWR grade 371
as being RR approved.
the Townsend RR guide book list the BWR grade 371
as being RR approved.
Curator Response: Starting in 1908, a few years before the estimated production of this watch, railraod inspectors began requiring all new watches to be openface style, not hunting. Therefore, this watch would not have qualified for service on many railroads at the time. That said, the production year is simply an estimate, and in fact, this watch may have been manufactured slightly earlier.
Anonymous · June 7, 2016
Serial Number 14226319 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Serial Number 14226319 has Adjusted engraved on
the balance cock and 5 positions engraved on the
barrel bridge
the balance cock and 5 positions engraved on the
barrel bridge
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · February 12, 2015
Serial Number 14226471 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · February 12, 2015
Serial Number 14226471 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
schwan 178 · January 2, 2015
Serial Number 14226173 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · December 23, 2014
Serial Number 14226356 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · November 30, 2013
Serial Number 14226225 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
