Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 16803872 (Grade 388)

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Antique 1912 Elgin Father Time 21 Jewel Pocket Watch Non-Running But Nice Shape

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Access Date: January 24, 2025

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 388

Father Time

Private Label(s) in Run:

Paillard Non Magnetic Watch Co. - Chicago, IL

What is a Private Label?

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	16803872
Grade:	388
Variation:	Father Time
Model:	15
Class:	98
Estimated Production Year:	1912
Run Quantity:	1,000
Grade/Model Run:	5 of 19
Grade/Model Total Production:	19,000
Size:	16s
Jewels:	21j
Jewel Material:	Ruby & Sapphire
Jewel Setting:	Gold Settings (Screw-Set)
Movement Configuration:	Openface
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Inlay Color:	Gilt
Movement Setting:	Lever
Plate:	3/4 Plate
Double Roller:	Yes
Barrel:	Going
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Traveling Nut (spring)
Pallet Jewel Material:	Sapphire
Standard Dial Type:	Double-Sunk
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted # of Positions:	5
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Adjusted to Isochronism:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
Wind Indicator:	No
U.S. Patents:	596407, 77078, 596408
Case:	Various
Run ID:	8151.388G5.16S1922.1615M52.O3012.L2104.21J220
Data Research:	1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Database Version:	v52.574
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	57.23
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	22.05
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.038%
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only	18 (1.80%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change):	-8.30% Analyzing 185 Sales

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · December 8, 2024

Serial Number 16803249 was reported as accurate.

CG12960 26 · May 28, 2024

Serial Number 16803231 was reported as accurate.

CG12960 26 · May 13, 2024

Serial Number 16803231 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 16, 2023

Serial Number 16803573 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 20, 2021

Serial Number 16803462 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 31, 2019

Serial Number 16803708 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 31, 2019

Serial Number 16803708 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 1, 2017

Serial Number 16803708 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 10, 2017

Serial Number 16803569 was reported as accurate.

MichaelB 150 · April 9, 2017

Serial Number 16803156 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Wind Indicator=NO

Anonymous · June 3, 2016

Serial Number 16803123 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 2, 2015

Serial Number 16803011 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement and dial marked for Paillard
non-Magnetic. Elgin made.

Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 307 · May 31, 2014

Serial Number 16803872 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 2, 2014

Serial Number 16803101 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked paillard non magnetic

sorrell2345 8 · November 20, 2013

Serial Number 16803277 was reported as accurate.

69abody 166 · October 26, 2013

Serial Number 16803712 was reported as accurate.

69abody 166 · October 16, 2013

Serial Number 16803712 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 16, 2013

Serial Number 16803478 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is a Father Time but without a
winding indicator.

Anonymous · January 28, 2013

Serial Number 16803257 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 18, 2012

Serial Number 16803363 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 20, 2012

Serial Number 16803316 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Changes since this report was submitted:

Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes

Anonymous · April 5, 2012

Serial Number 16803011 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This is an elgin movement, but not marked elgin,
it is marked Paillard Non Magnetic Watch Co.
Chicago, IL USA on both the movement and the dial.
Damaskeening is vertical stripe only with a
piecrust edge and piecrust on winding wheels.
Other than that, it appears in every respect to be
a grade 388.