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Access Date: April 19, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 402
Father Time
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 17170588 | |
| Grade: | 402 | |
| Variation: | Father Time | |
| Model: | 17 | |
| Class: | 126 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1913 | |
| Run Quantity: | 600 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 1 of 1 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 600 | |
| Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 400 | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 21j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Raised Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Hunting | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Finish Pattern: | Radial | |
| Movement Signing Style: | Serif Caps | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Barrel: | Safety | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
| Movement Markings: | Father Time Elgin, U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted 5 Positions Elgin Natl Watch Co. |
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| Data Research: |
1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 8386.402G1.16S1979.1617M1.H5148.L2115.21J222 | |
| Database Version: | v52.235 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1.80 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.64 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.001% | |
| Registry Population: | 11 (1.83%) | |
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Research Note: Elgin factory serial listes designate 1,7170,001-1,7171,000 as Grade 402. However, statistical analysis suggests that this run was terminated early, and only the first ~600 movements were produced. Because this is the only run of Grade 402 movements, the estimated total production has been revised from 1,000 units to 600.
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 402
Target Profile: 16S-M17-21J-HNL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME
| Elgin Grade 402 (All Variations): 600 ETP | |||||||||
| 16S: 600 100.00% 16s, Grade 402 |
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| 16S-M17: 600 100.00% 16s, Grade 402, Model 17 |
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| 16S-M17-21J: 600 100.00% 16s, Grade 402, Model 17, 21 Jewels |
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| 16S-M17-21J-HNL: 600 100.00% 16s, Grade 402, Model 17, 21 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Nickel |
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| 16S-M17-21J-HNL-A5PTI: 600 100.00% | |||||||||
| 16S-M17-21J-HNL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME: 600 100.00% | |||||||||
| NOTE: 1,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 400 Never Manufactured | |||||||||
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 11 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · June 4, 2022
Serial Number 17170111 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 7, 2021
Serial Number 17170575 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 15, 2021
Serial Number 17170349 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 22, 2017
Serial Number 17170176 was reported as accurate.
MichaelB 150 · May 3, 2017
Serial Number 17170588 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Marked Adjusted 5 Positions
Railroad Grade-Yes......Railroad Grade and
Railroad Approved are 2 different catagories
Railroad Grade-Yes......Railroad Grade and
Railroad Approved are 2 different catagories
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. The adjustments have been noted accordingly. "Railroad Grade" vs. "Railroad Approved" designations are widely adrgued, and we subscribe to the standard "Railroad Grade" definition as being accepted into railroad use at the time of production.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · April 14, 2017
Serial Number 17170165 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
stanzukin 24 · December 31, 2016
Serial Number 17170179 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
stanzukin 24 · December 16, 2016
Serial Number 17170179 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: this is a Father Time Mvt.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
