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Access Date: December 03, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 386
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 23784120 | |
| Grade: | 386 | |
| Model: | 6 | |
| Class: | 109 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1921 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 91 of 108 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 113,700 | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Jewel Material: | Ruby & Sapphire | |
| Jewel Setting: | Screw-Set | |
| Movement Configuration: | Hunting | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Setting: | Pendant | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Double Roller: | Yes | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Balance Type: | Expansion | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Moseley | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Adjusted: | No | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 596407, 77078, 585025 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 11586.386G91.16S2922.166M1123.H6432.P8705.17J1745 | |
| Data Research: |
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.479 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 342.32 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 132.23 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.225% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 9 (0.90%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | -14.78% Analyzing 385 Sales | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 386
Target Profile: 16S-M6-17J-HNP-U
| Elgin Grade 386 (All Variations): 113,700 ETP |
| 16S: 113,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 386 |
| 16S-M6: 113,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 386, Model 6 |
| 16S-M6-17J: 113,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 386, Model 6, 17 Jewels |
| 16S-M6-17J-HNP: 113,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 386, Model 6, 17 Jewels, Hunting/Pendant/Nickel |
| 16S-M6-17J-HNP-U: 113,700 100.00% |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 9 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · April 1, 2021
Serial Number 23784183 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 9, 2019
Serial Number 23784183 was reported as accurate.
okiejohn 387 · August 17, 2019
Serial Number 23784120 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Prior conversation: This movement is a lever
set...
I've removed the dial and taken a photo, and
placed the photo in the "Dial" slot in the data
entry. This lever doesn't act as a true lever that
you pull out to set the watch. You just push it to
the side to allow the time to be set. On closer
examination, it looks like someone may have
modified it to make it a lever set.
set...
I've removed the dial and taken a photo, and
placed the photo in the "Dial" slot in the data
entry. This lever doesn't act as a true lever that
you pull out to set the watch. You just push it to
the side to allow the time to be set. On closer
examination, it looks like someone may have
modified it to make it a lever set.
Curator Response: Thanks for the additional information and image. Yes, this appears to be a after-market conversion. Unusual find. Thanks for sharing it.
okiejohn 387 · August 16, 2019
Serial Number 23784120 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This movement is lever set, with lever 1/4
rotation clockwise from stem (at 6).
rotation clockwise from stem (at 6).
Curator Response: Interesting find. According to factory records and publications, the 386 was exclusively manufactured as pendant-set. The lever placement is also odd. Have you had an opporunity to inspect under the dial?
amerikantribe 1 · August 9, 2019
Serial Number 23784183 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 15, 2015
Serial Number 23784977 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 4, 2013
Serial Number 23784319 was reported as accurate.
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