Pocket Watch Database


From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 345 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 345

Production Inconsistent with Factory Records. See Research Notes.

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 25555201 Question Mark
Grade: 345 Question Mark
Model: 3 Question Mark
Class: 114 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1923 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 6,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 144 of 205 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 740,900 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 726,900 (12S-M3-17J-ONP-U) Question Mark
Size: 12s Question Mark
Jewels: 17j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby & Sapphire Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Pendant Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Double Roller: Yes Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Balance Type: Expansion Question Mark
Balance Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Single-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: No Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 596407, 77078, 585025 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 12218.345G144.12S1981.123M986.O5442.P9296.17J1880 Question Mark
Data Research: 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.581 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
2,230.68 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
861.95 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
1.464% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
35 (0.58%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 13.33% Analyzing 2,547 Sales Question Mark
Research Note: Actual production for this run is inconsistent with factory serial lists. Elgin Factory Serial Lists designate 25,556,001-25,562,000 as Grade 428 (6/0s, Model 1, 15j). However, #25558163 has been verified as a Grade 345 (16s, Model 3, 17j). #25556534, #25559980, #25559882, #25559138, #25556821, #25557972, #25559261, and #25559380: Reported as featuring 17-Jewels (some additionally reported as 12s). According to serial lists, a run of Grade 345 movements precedes this run [25,554,001-25,556,000]. All observations and reports of Grade 345 movements in this run fall within the range of 25,556,501-25,560,000. Furthermore, during this period, the standard run size for Grade 428 was 1,000 or 2,000, inconsistent with this designated run size of 6,000. This information is evidence of an error in the Elgin Serial Lists and these runs have been reconfigured as follows. Grade 345: 25,554,001-25,560,000; Grade 428: 25,560,001-25,562,000.

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · March 7, 2022

Serial Number 25558890 was reported as accurate.

Fifty50 Supporter 350 · May 6, 2021

Serial Number 25558002 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 23, 2019

Serial Number 25555052 was reported as accurate.

wndswept 202 · October 30, 2019

Serial Number 25558030 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 6, 2019

Serial Number 25556408 was reported as accurate.

Rcardkidz 4151 · April 12, 2019

Serial Number 25558586 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 10, 2019

Serial Number 25559380 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My watch is marked 17 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · July 31, 2018

Serial Number 25554461 was reported as accurate.

drisen 31 · February 4, 2017

Serial Number 25559261 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Size 12s 17 jewel open face
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · July 21, 2016

Serial Number 25555041 was reported as accurate.

cmdraven 4086 · December 5, 2014

Serial Number 25556882 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 12 Size 17 Jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · July 27, 2014

Serial Number 25555729 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 23, 2014

Serial Number 25555786 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 18, 2014

Serial Number 25557972 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This 25557972 Elgin pocket watch is gold filled
and 17 jewels (inscribed on watch movement).
Elgin indicates 1922, with 6000 made between 1917
and 1933.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Majwatz 31 · January 25, 2014

Serial Number 25556821 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: SN 25556821
17J Open Face, Stem Wind, Stem Set
Model 3, 3/4 plate
Grade 192
Manuf. 1922
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

doughboywatchco 5 · December 29, 2013

Serial Number 25556747 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

volksbar187 43 · August 29, 2013

Serial Number 25555201 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 1, 2013

Serial Number 25555809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 22, 2013

Serial Number 25555809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 3, 2013

Serial Number 25559138 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 12s
17 jewel
nickel
In a open case
25559138

Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · February 24, 2013

Serial Number 25559138 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 17 jewel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · January 19, 2013

Serial Number 25559882 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes

Anonymous · November 8, 2012

Serial Number 25559980 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes

Anonymous · October 18, 2012

Serial Number 25556534 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Grade:345
Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes
Elgin Grade 345 Pocket Watch