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Access Date: January 25, 2025
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 345
Production Inconsistent with Factory Records. See Research Notes.
Manufacturer: | Elgin | |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
Movement Serial Number: | 25555201 | |
Grade: | 345 | |
Model: | 3 | |
Class: | 114 | |
Estimated Production Year: | 1923 | |
Run Quantity: | 6,000 | |
Grade/Model Run: | 144 of 205 | |
Grade/Model Total Production: | 740,900 | |
Variant Est. Production: | 726,900 (12S-M3-17J-ONP-U) | |
Size: | 12s | |
Jewels: | 17j | |
Jewel Material: | Ruby & Sapphire | |
Jewel Setting: | Screw-Set | |
Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
Movement Setting: | Pendant | |
Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
Double Roller: | Yes | |
Barrel: | Going | |
Balance Type: | Expansion | |
Balance Jewel Material: | Ruby | |
Train: | Quick | |
Regulator: | Moseley | |
Hairspring: | Breguet | |
Standard Dial Type: | Single-Sunk | |
Adjusted: | No | |
Railroad Grade: | No | |
U.S. Patents: | 596407, 77078, 585025 | |
Case: | Various | |
Run ID: | 12218.345G144.12S1981.123M986.O5442.P9296.17J1880 | |
Data Research: |
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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Database Version: | v52.581 | |
Advanced Metrics | ||
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 2,230.68 | |
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 861.95 | |
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1.464% | |
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 35 (0.58%) | |
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 13.33% Analyzing 2,547 Sales | |
Research Note: Actual production for this run is inconsistent with factory serial lists. Elgin Factory Serial Lists designate 25,556,001-25,562,000 as Grade 428 (6/0s, Model 1, 15j). However, #25558163 has been verified as a Grade 345 (16s, Model 3, 17j). #25556534, #25559980, #25559882, #25559138, #25556821, #25557972, #25559261, and #25559380: Reported as featuring 17-Jewels (some additionally reported as 12s). According to serial lists, a run of Grade 345 movements precedes this run [25,554,001-25,556,000]. All observations and reports of Grade 345 movements in this run fall within the range of 25,556,501-25,560,000. Furthermore, during this period, the standard run size for Grade 428 was 1,000 or 2,000, inconsistent with this designated run size of 6,000. This information is evidence of an error in the Elgin Serial Lists and these runs have been reconfigured as follows. Grade 345: 25,554,001-25,560,000; Grade 428: 25,560,001-25,562,000.
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 345
Target Profile: 12S-M3-17J-ONP-U
Elgin Grade 345 (All Variations): 740,900 ETP | ||
12S: 740,900 100.00% 12s, Grade 345 |
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12S-M3: 740,900 100.00% 12s, Grade 345, Model 3 |
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12S-M3-17J: 740,900 100.00% 12s, Grade 345, Model 3, 17 Jewels |
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12S-M3-17J-ONP: 737,900 99.60% 12s, Grade 345, Model 3, 17 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Nickel |
Other: 3,000
Other Configs or Unclassified |
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12S-M3-17J-ONP-U: 726,900 98.11% | Other: 11,000
Other Adjustments or Unclassified |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 35 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Fifty50 Supporter 350 · May 6, 2021
Serial Number 25558002 was reported as accurate.
wndswept 202 · October 30, 2019
Serial Number 25558030 was reported as accurate.
Rcardkidz 4151 · April 12, 2019
Serial Number 25558586 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 10, 2019
Serial Number 25559380 was reported as inaccurate.
drisen 31 · February 4, 2017
Serial Number 25559261 was reported as inaccurate.
cmdraven 4086 · December 5, 2014
Serial Number 25556882 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · February 18, 2014
Serial Number 25557972 was reported as inaccurate.
and 17 jewels (inscribed on watch movement).
Elgin indicates 1922, with 6000 made between 1917
and 1933.
Majwatz 31 · January 25, 2014
Serial Number 25556821 was reported as inaccurate.
17J Open Face, Stem Wind, Stem Set
Model 3, 3/4 plate
Grade 192
Manuf. 1922
doughboywatchco 5 · December 29, 2013
Serial Number 25556747 was reported as inaccurate.
volksbar187 43 · August 29, 2013
Serial Number 25555201 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 3, 2013
Serial Number 25559138 was reported as inaccurate.
17 jewel
nickel
In a open case
25559138
Anonymous · February 24, 2013
Serial Number 25559138 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · January 19, 2013
Serial Number 25559882 was reported as inaccurate.
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Anonymous · November 8, 2012
Serial Number 25559980 was reported as inaccurate.
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Anonymous · October 18, 2012
Serial Number 25556534 was reported as inaccurate.
Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
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