Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 345 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 345

Production Inconsistent with Factory Records. See Research Notes.

Manufacturer: Elgin
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number: 25558163
Grade: 345
Model: 3
Class: 114
Estimated Production Year: 1923
Run Quantity: 6,000
Grade/Model Run: 144 of 205
Grade/Model Total Production: 740,900
Variant Est. Production: 726,900 (12S-M3-17J-ONP-U)
Size: 12s
Jewels: 17j
Jewel Material: Ruby & Sapphire
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set
Movement Configuration: Openface
Movement Finish: Nickel
Movement Setting: Pendant
Plate: 3/4 Plate
Double Roller: Yes
Barrel: Going
Balance Type: Expansion
Balance Jewel Material: Ruby
Train: Quick
Regulator: Moseley
Hairspring: Breguet
Standard Dial Type: Single-Sunk
Adjusted: No
Railroad Grade: No
U.S. Patents: 596407, 77078, 585025
Data Research: 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case: Various
Run ID: 12217.345G144.12S1981.123M986.O5442.P9296.17J1879
Database Version: v52.245
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
2,230.68
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
861.95
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
1.464%
Registry Population: 35 (0.58%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): -1.28% Analyzing 2,509 Sales
Research Note: Actual production for this run is inconsistent with factory serial lists. Elgin Factory Serial Lists designate 25,556,001-25,562,000 as Grade 428 (6/0s, Model 1, 15j). However, #25558163 has been verified as a Grade 345 (16s, Model 3, 17j). #25556534, #25559980, #25559882, #25559138, #25556821, #25557972, #25559261, and #25559380: Reported as featuring 17-Jewels (some additionally reported as 12s). According to serial lists, a run of Grade 345 movements precedes this run [25,554,001-25,556,000]. All observations and reports of Grade 345 movements in this run fall within the range of 25,556,501-25,560,000. Furthermore, during this period, the standard run size for Grade 428 was 1,000 or 2,000, inconsistent with this designated run size of 6,000. This information is evidence of an error in the Elgin Serial Lists and these runs have been reconfigured as follows. Grade 345: 25,554,001-25,560,000; Grade 428: 25,560,001-25,562,000.

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · March 7, 2022

Serial Number 25558890 was reported as accurate.

Fifty50 Supporter 324 · May 6, 2021

Serial Number 25558002 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 23, 2019

Serial Number 25555052 was reported as accurate.

wndswept 202 · October 30, 2019

Serial Number 25558030 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 6, 2019

Serial Number 25556408 was reported as accurate.

Rcardkidz 3459 · April 12, 2019

Serial Number 25558586 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 10, 2019

Serial Number 25559380 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My watch is marked 17 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · July 31, 2018

Serial Number 25554461 was reported as accurate.

drisen 30 · February 4, 2017

Serial Number 25559261 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Size 12s 17 jewel open face
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · July 21, 2016

Serial Number 25555041 was reported as accurate.

cmdraven 3991 · December 5, 2014

Serial Number 25556882 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 12 Size 17 Jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · July 27, 2014

Serial Number 25555729 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 23, 2014

Serial Number 25555786 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 18, 2014

Serial Number 25557972 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This 25557972 Elgin pocket watch is gold filled
and 17 jewels (inscribed on watch movement).
Elgin indicates 1922, with 6000 made between 1917
and 1933.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Majwatz 31 · January 25, 2014

Serial Number 25556821 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: SN 25556821
17J Open Face, Stem Wind, Stem Set
Model 3, 3/4 plate
Grade 192
Manuf. 1922
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

doughboywatchco 5 · December 29, 2013

Serial Number 25556747 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

volksbar187 43 · August 29, 2013

Serial Number 25555201 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 1, 2013

Serial Number 25555809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 22, 2013

Serial Number 25555809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 3, 2013

Serial Number 25559138 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 12s
17 jewel
nickel
In a open case
25559138

Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · February 24, 2013

Serial Number 25559138 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 17 jewel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface

Anonymous · January 19, 2013

Serial Number 25559882 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes

Anonymous · November 8, 2012

Serial Number 25559980 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes

Anonymous · October 18, 2012

Serial Number 25556534 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Grade:345
Size:12s
Jewels:17j
Mvmnt Cnfg:Openface
Model:3
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 428 to 345
Size changed from 6/0 to 12
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Movement Configuration changed from Hunting to Openface
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes
Elgin Grade 345 Pocket Watch