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https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/375258
Access Date: November 21, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: Experimental

Experimental/Prototype/Special Run. Please See Research Notes.

Private Label(s) in Run:

Mermod, Jaccard & Co.
Hayden W. Wheeler & Co. - N.Y.

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Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 375258 Question Mark
Grade: Experimental Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1889 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 980 Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.449 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 3.25 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 1.20 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.002% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		12 (1.22%) Question Mark
Research Note: Elgin factory serial lists designate 375,001-376,000 as grade "F.R." (Frances Rubie), later including it in the Grade 23 number classification. However, only one 10-Size Frances Rubie movement has been verified from this run, #375010. The remainder of the run is comprised of various experimental, prototype, and special order movements. For this reason, the run has been split in the database to segment the original Frances Rubie production from the experimental and special order movements.
#375010: Verified as Frances Rubie.
#375028 and #375030: Verified as having features consistent with the 16-Size Model 4 Grade 83.
#375031: Verified as 16-Size Model 4 "Chronograph" featuring a unique timer mechanism added to movement [Heritage Auctions].
#375074: Verified as 6-Size Movement with 3 Finger Bridge [IHC185].
#375075: Verified as 16-Size Pendant-Set Prototype with Barrel Similar to Interchangeable Models.
#375081: Verified as 18-Size Pendant-Set Prototype with Rayed Damaskeening Pattern and 21 Jewels, Possibly a Prototype for the Grade 150.
#375082: Reported as 18-Size Grade 149/150 Experimental Movement.
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#375258: Verified as 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co.
#375261: Verified as 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co.
#375303: Reported as an 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co. (St. Louis)
#375335: Reported as 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co.
#375366: Reported as 18s Private Label for Mermod Jaccard & Co.
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#375501: Verified as 16-Size Model 7 Movement Marked "Hayden W. Wheeler & Co. - N.Y. - [WHW Monogram] - 17 Jewels - Adjusted - Safety Pinion - U.S.A." [Unmarked Double-Sunk Dial]
#375767: Verified as Unfinished 18-Size Model 8 Prototype with 23 Jewels (Gold Jewel Settings, Wheels, and Screws are all in an unfinished state) [JH April 2021].
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade Experimental

Target Profile: S-M-J--U

Elgin Grade Experimental (All Variations): 1,080 ETP
S: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental
S-M: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental, Model
S-M-J: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental, Model , Jewels
S-M-J-: 1,080 100.00%
, Grade Experimental, Model , Jewels, //
S-M-J--U: 1,080 100.00%

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
There are 12 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · June 16, 2023

Serial Number 375501 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 16 size, 17 jewel 3/4 plate model 6, signed Hayden
W. Wheeler & Co with HWW logo. Unsigned double
sunk dial
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

Anonymous · June 6, 2022

Serial Number 375303 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: #375303 is an 18s Mermod Jaccard & Co. (dial)
movement signed D.C. Jaccard St. Louis, Mo. Not
sure of jewel count but at least 11. Hunter
Movement with strange lever that slides sideways
instead of pulling out.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

JMcCowan 2 · August 14, 2021

Serial Number 375360 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My Elgin number 375360 is a size 18-8 adjustments,
21 J, BW Raymond. Size 18, Open Face/Screw
Back-Similar to a Hamilton 992B
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

fordcasa Top Contributor Supporter 443 · May 18, 2021

Serial Number 375075 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Experimental Movement. I only have this photo. No
guess as to Size or specs.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This model appears to be the 16-Size pendant-set prototype designed by William A. Gabriel.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

pocketwatch101 111 · November 20, 2019

Serial Number 375028 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Elgin Sn375028 is a Elgin Doctors watch. It is a
Sz16. All the of this version Elgin Doctors Watch
are listed as. Sz16, Grd84, Model 4, Lever Set.
The have a sweep second hand. Aparently,
Sn375028 the is a break in Sn's for Elgin.
pocketwatch101
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This serial number, along with #375030, has previously been recorded in the research notes for the run as being consistent with Grade 84.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

Anonymous · May 3, 2017

Serial Number 375039 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

Anonymous · December 18, 2015

Serial Number 375030 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

Anonymous · July 14, 2013

Serial Number 375828 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

Anonymous · May 26, 2013

Serial Number 375084 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: movement is pendant set on 375084
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

Anonymous · June 25, 2012

Serial Number 375082 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: It is 18size 20 jewel,adjusted,nickel finish,gold
settings,dbl sunk dial.
Grade149 hunting and150 open face
(Roy Ehrhardt book 2 Price and ID Guide)
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental

Anonymous · April 17, 2012

Serial Number 375366 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Mine is a 18 size nickel plate, 15 jewels,
adjusted, D.C. Jaccard, St. Louis, Mo. Dial is
Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis, Mo. Serial
numbers all match on balance cock and mainspring
barrel cover
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 23 to Experimental