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Access Date: March 27, 2025
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 86
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 3845203 | |
| Grade: | 86 | |
| Model: | 2 | |
| Class: | 22 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1890 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 10 of 16 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 15,700 | |
| Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 300 | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 15j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Pressed/Friction Settings | |
| Movement Configuration: | Interchangeable | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Signing Style: | Gothic Blackletter | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Black | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | Bridge Plate | |
| Bridge Type: | 3-finger Straight | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Moseley | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | No | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 185867, 77078, 10554 | |
| Movement Markings: | Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. Adjusted |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 1452.86G10.16S221.162M18.C82.L669.15J427 | |
| Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.624 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 47.27 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 18.21 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.031% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 16 (1.60%) | |
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Research Note: #3845556: Verified with improper after-market "21 Jewels" marking on the pillar plate. Despite the fraudulent marking applied after leaving the factory, the movement is entirely consistent with the standard Grade 86 classification, featuring 15 jewels [eBay #164998599317].
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 86
Target Profile: 16S-M2-15J-CNL-A
| Elgin Grade 86 (All Variations): 15,700 ETP |
| 16S: 15,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 86 |
| 16S-M2: 15,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 86, Model 2 |
| 16S-M2-15J: 15,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 86, Model 2, 15 Jewels |
| 16S-M2-15J-CNL: 15,700 100.00% 16s, Grade 86, Model 2, 15 Jewels, Interchangeable/Lever/Nickel |
| 16S-M2-15J-CNL-A: 15,700 100.00% |
| NOTE: 16,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 300 Never Manufactured |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 16 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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