Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 123 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 123

Mixed Run: 15-Jewel and 17-Jewel Examples Reported

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 4683609 Question Mark
Grade: 123 Question Mark
Model: 5 Question Mark
Class: 9 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1893 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 3,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 2 of 7 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 13,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 9,000 (18S-M5-17J) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 17j    Mixed Run Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Gilt Question Mark
Movement Setting: Pendant Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: No Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 347272, 345619 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 1829.123G2.18S1066.185M222.O284.P391.17J12 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.428 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
39.14 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
15.07 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.026% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
18 (0.60%) Question Mark
Research Note: According to Elgin grade descriptions, Grade 123 is designated as 15-17 jewels. This run appears to be mixed. #4684740 has been verified as marked "17 Jewels." #4685299 has been reported as marked "17 Jewels." #4683587 reported as having 15 Jewels. #4683475: Verified as 15-Jewel Movement.

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · September 16, 2024

Serial Number 4684644 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 10, 2022

Serial Number 4684864 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 2, 2021

Serial Number 4683920 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 20, 2021

Serial Number 4685396 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 29, 2019

Serial Number 4684766 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 29, 2019

Serial Number 4684766 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 30, 2019

Serial Number 4683129 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 26, 2019

Serial Number 4685826 was reported as accurate.

Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 307 · September 15, 2018

Serial Number 4684740 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 5, 2018

Serial Number 4683587 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 15 jewels not 17. Movement 4,683,587 is 15 jewels
but all other information is correct.
Bob Stafford

Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 307 · October 18, 2016

Serial Number 4684740 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · September 3, 2016

Serial Number 4684740 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: marked "17 Jewels"
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

watchman4831 193 · February 2, 2014

Serial Number 4685299 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement is adjusted and is marked 17 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

watchman4831 193 · February 2, 2014

Serial Number 4685299 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

cmdraven 4038 · October 22, 2013

Serial Number 4683147 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

Anonymous · October 3, 2013

Serial Number 4683869 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

Anonymous · May 20, 2013

Serial Number 4685915 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

Anonymous · May 7, 2013

Serial Number 4685544 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

Anonymous · April 5, 2013

Serial Number 4685716 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j

Anonymous · May 16, 2012

Serial Number 4685042 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Elgin Grade 123 Pocket Watch