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From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 164 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 164

Private Label(s) in Run:

A. Graves Co. - Memphis, Tenn.

What is a Private Label?
Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 6728628 Question Mark
Grade: 164 Question Mark
Variation: Elgin Nat'l. Watch Co. Question Mark
Model: 2 Question Mark
Class: 1 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1897 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,400 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 7 of 7 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 6,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 5,000 (18S-M2-17J) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 17j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Hunting Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Black Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class C Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Elgin Natl. Watch Co.
Elgin, Ill. U.S.A.
17 Jewels
Adjusted.
Safety Pinoin
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 2682.164G7.18S1487.182M183.H2003.L1166.17J141 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.445 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
18.06 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
6.92 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.012% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
20 (1.43%) Question Mark
Research Note: This run is designated in factory serial lists as Grade 164 [6728001-6730000]. Standard Grade 164 movements feature 17 Jewels. However, some movements early in the run were upgraded to 21 Jewels. Serials ~6728001-6728600 (Quantity: 600) were upgraded to Father Time 21-Jewel movements while the rest of the run 6728601-6730000 (Quantity: 1,400) were 17-Jewel movements marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." or marked for private labels. This run has now been split accordingly for the purposes of the database.

#6728312: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [PWDB cranemaker].
#6728314: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels."
#6728515: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [FB].
#6728530: Reported as Marked "21 Jewels."
#6728567: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels."
#6728585: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [eBay #113348889155].
#6728713: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #202414044481, JH 2018-08-16].
#6728722: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [JH 2018-09-23].
#6728812: Verified as Private Label Marked "A. Graves - Memphis, Tenn." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #354556317993]
#6729471: Reported as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co."

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


cjbrem Supporter 915 · July 17, 2023

Serial Number 6728776 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 3, 2023

Serial Number 6728931 was reported as accurate.

hawk613 Supporter 32 · October 15, 2021

Serial Number 6729471 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This watch is for sale on eBay and is one of those
NOT upgraded to "Father Time" and is marked
"Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels."
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j

Anonymous · January 17, 2019

Serial Number 6729695 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j

Anonymous · September 9, 2018

Serial Number 6728713 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j

otter46 Supporter 26 · September 3, 2018

Serial Number 6728713 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 17jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 17j

Anonymous · August 18, 2016

Serial Number 6728974 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 10, 2015

Serial Number 6728716 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 18, 2014

Serial Number 6729643 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 21, 2014

Serial Number 6729119 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 18, 2014

Serial Number 6729643 was reported as accurate.

Fretrocker 43 · February 23, 2014

Serial Number 6729255 was reported as accurate.

lewis23 Supporter 40 · November 7, 2013

Serial Number 6728628 was reported as accurate.

LeroyC 392 · June 5, 2013

Serial Number 6728628 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 19, 2013

Serial Number 6729119 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 5, 2012

Serial Number 6729559 was reported as accurate.

Elgin Grade 164 Pocket Watch