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Access Date: November 23, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 270 Pocket Watch
Elgin Grade 270 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 270

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 9860367 Question Mark
Grade: 270 Question Mark
Variation: No. 270 Question Mark
Model: 9 Question Mark
Class: 98 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1903 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 3 of 14 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 12,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 8,550 (16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI-NO. 270) Question Mark
Size: 16s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Gold Settings (Screw-Set) Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Gilt Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: Bridge Plate Question Mark
Bridge Type: 3-Finger Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Train Material: Gold Question Mark
Center Wheel Material: Gold Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class A Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Elgin Nat'l Watch Co.
[or Veritas Elgin, Ill.]
No. 270
U.S.A.
21 Jewels
Adjusted
Safety Pinion
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 4022.270G3.16S780.169M3.O1130.L1465.21J95 Question Mark
Data Research: 1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
 Question Mark
Database Version: v52.457 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 36.13 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 13.90 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.024% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		7 (0.70%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): -12.57% Analyzing 113 Sales Question Mark
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 270

Target Profile: 16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI-NO. 270

Elgin Grade 270 (All Variations): 12,000 ETP
16S: 12,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 270
16S-M9: 12,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 270, Model 9
16S-M9-21J: 12,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 270, Model 9, 21 Jewels
16S-M9-21J-ONL: 12,000 100.00%
16s, Grade 270, Model 9, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 12,000 100.00%
16S-M9-21J-ONL-A5PTI-NO. 270: 8,550 71.25% Other: 3,450
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · February 28, 2023

Serial Number 9860265 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 4, 2019

Serial Number 9860092 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 8, 2017

Serial Number 9860322 was reported as accurate.

MichaelB 150 · December 17, 2016

Serial Number 9860436 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 11, 2015

Serial Number 9860150 was reported as accurate.

bowfinn 52 · December 19, 2013

Serial Number 9860294 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 9, 2013

Serial Number 9860436 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Elgin serial number 9860436 is marked "No. 270"
It is not marked "Veritas". If it is not marked
"Veritas" then it is not a Veritas grade. Also,
the grade No. 270 was only described as being
adjusted to positions (number unspecified - see:
http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15
5314&d=1354736357 &
http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12
8243&d=1334775769). I know of no Elgin
documentation which states that it was adjusted to
five positions (although it may well have been).

Best regards,
Kent

Anonymous · October 15, 2013

Serial Number 9860265 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This Elgin serial number is to a 16 size, 21
jewel, 3 finger bridge movement, marked No. 270.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · April 29, 2013

Serial Number 9860077 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: movement with this serial number is 16s three
finger bridge, 21j
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · April 25, 2013

Serial Number 9860077 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: size 16, grade 270, 21j, 3 finger bridge model
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 28, 2013

Serial Number 9860294 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 13, 2013

Serial Number 9860294 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 3 finger bdg. 21 jewel. 16 size. Adjusted
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 3, 2013

Serial Number 9860294 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · October 24, 2012

Serial Number 9860294 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 3 finger bdg. 21j lever set micro regulator
16s
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 276 to 270
Size changed from 12 to 16
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Movement Setting changed from Pendant to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Elgin Grade 270 Pocket Watch
Elgin Grade 270 Pocket Watch