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Access Date: December 07, 2022
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 571
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | J372244 | |
| Grade: | 571 | |
| Model: | 20 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1948 | |
| Run Quantity: | 6,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 10 of 26 | |
| Total Production: | 564,000 | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 21j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Ball | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 6 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Total Adjustments: | 8 | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Data Research: |
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
|
| Case: | Various | |
| Registry Population: | 35 (0.58%) | |
| Database Version: | v49.428 | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 571
Target Profile: 16S-M20-21J-ONL-A6PTI
| Elgin Grade 571 (All Variations): 563,000 ETP |
| 16S: 563,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 571 |
| 16S-M20: 563,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 571, Model 20 |
| 16S-M20-21J: 563,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 571, Model 20, 21 Jewels |
| 16S-M20-21J-ONL: 563,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 571, Model 20, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
| 16S-M20-21J-ONL-A6PTI: 563,000 100.00% |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | J372032 | #32 | Collection | January 20, 2014 | |
| 2 | J372226 | #226 | Marketplace | January 17, 2016 | |
| 3 |
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J372244 | #244 | Collection | July 02, 2013 |
| 4 | J372253 | #253 | Marketplace | June 30, 2022 | |
| 5 | J372365 | #365 | Marketplace | June 11, 2013 | |
| 6 | J372519 | #519 | Marketplace | July 14, 2016 | |
| 7 | J372745 | #745 | Marketplace | February 05, 2020 | |
| 8 | J372767 | #767 | Collection | June 06, 2014 | |
| 9 | J372888 | #888 | Marketplace | August 11, 2022 | |
| 10 | J372964 | #964 | Collection | May 21, 2013 | |
| 11 | J373100 | #1100 | Marketplace | June 12, 2014 | |
| 12 | J373357 | #1357 | Inferred | ||
| 13 | J373402 | #1402 | Inferred | ||
| 14 | J373404 | #1404 | Marketplace | March 26, 2013 | |
| 15 | J373555 | #1555 | Marketplace | May 11, 2020 | |
| 16 | J374003 | #2003 | Marketplace | December 22, 2016 | |
| 17 | J374064 | #2064 | Collection | September 01, 2013 | |
| 18 | J374250 | #2250 | Marketplace | February 01, 2013 | |
| 19 | J374270 | #2270 | Collection | June 01, 2019 | |
| 20 | J374361 | #2361 | Marketplace | February 18, 2021 | |
| 21 | J374376 | #2376 | Marketplace | April 05, 2022 | |
| 22 | J374382 | #2382 | Collection | January 13, 2019 | |
| 23 | J374601 | #2601 | Collection | July 27, 2013 | |
| 24 | J375056 | #3056 | Collection | February 09, 2021 | |
| 25 | J375117 | #3117 | Marketplace | February 27, 2020 | |
| 26 | J375399 | #3399 | Marketplace | December 23, 2019 | |
| 27 | J375512 | #3512 | Marketplace | August 06, 2014 | |
| 28 | J375574 | #3574 | Marketplace | May 11, 2018 | |
| 29 | J375664 | #3664 | Marketplace | February 10, 2014 | |
| 30 | J375816 | #3816 | Marketplace | April 30, 2014 | |
| 31 | J375983 | #3983 | Collection | June 01, 2014 | |
| 32 | J376311 | #4311 | Collection | October 31, 2022 | |
| 33 | J376463 | #4463 | Inferred | ||
| 34 | J376837 | #4837 | Marketplace | March 03, 2015 | |
| 35 | J376965 | #4965 | Marketplace | May 02, 2018 | |
| Standard Deviation of Known Examples: 1,460.04 (Expected: 1,732.20, Δ272.15/4.54%) | |||||
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Data Verification Reports
Anonymous · June 12, 2022
Serial Number J372573 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 25, 2022
Serial Number J375000 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 1, 2021
Serial Number J376510 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 21, 2021
Serial Number J376402 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 17, 2021
Serial Number J375255 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 24, 2020
Serial Number J374305 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 15, 2019
Serial Number J375011 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 14, 2018
Serial Number J373073 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 4, 2017
Serial Number J372896 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 4, 2017
Serial Number J376171 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 10, 2017
Serial Number J372002 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 3, 2017
Serial Number J374193 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 2, 2016
Serial Number J376841 was reported as accurate.
DSpall 6 · December 1, 2016
Serial Number J376852 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 28, 2016
Serial Number J376841 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: marked 8 adjustments
locomotive Supporter 81 · January 24, 2016
Serial Number J372226 was reported as accurate.
locomotive Supporter 81 · January 24, 2016
Serial Number J372226 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 3, 2015
Serial Number J375803 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 13, 2014
Serial Number J374720 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · November 13, 2014
Serial Number J374720 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: regulator is elgin
Curator Response: Please upload a photo of the movement so we can evaluate. The examples we have seen have the Ball regulator.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · November 13, 2014
Serial Number J374720 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · November 2, 2014
Serial Number J374911 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · October 29, 2014
Serial Number J373357 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · August 15, 2014
Serial Number J372410 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · July 12, 2014
Serial Number J375540 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · July 12, 2014
Serial Number J375540 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
WilliamGene 68 · June 1, 2014
Serial Number J375983 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 271 · May 31, 2014
Serial Number J372244 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · January 21, 2014
Serial Number J373095 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Wrstratton 134 · January 20, 2014
Serial Number J372032 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
pocket12 1 · January 5, 2014
Serial Number J376725 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · September 25, 2013
Serial Number J375837 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · July 14, 2013
Serial Number J375828 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · July 7, 2013
Serial Number J375828 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · July 5, 2013
Serial Number J372365 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
txtimefan Supporter 101 · June 22, 2013
Serial Number J372442 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · June 1, 2013
Serial Number J372244 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: As other people have indicated the movement is
marked '8 ADJUSTMENTS' which means 5 POSITIONS
marked '8 ADJUSTMENTS' which means 5 POSITIONS
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted # Positions changed from 8 to 6
Anonymous · March 21, 2013
Serial Number J372032 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Adj 8 Pos :
Elgin frequently marks watches as having "x
adjustments", where 'x' is some number greater
than three, often 6 or 8. This means that it has
been adjusted to temperature (2 adjustments),
isochronism (1 adjustment) and the remaining x-3
adjustments are to positions. You sometimes see
people say that a watch is "adjusted to 8
positions" because they misinterpret the phrase "8
adjustments". They fail to realize that 3 of those
adjustments are to heat, cold and isochronism, and
the watch is really adjusted to just 5 positions.
(There appears to be a few rare cases when Elgin
and other companies may have marked a watch as
having "8 adjustments" and meant 6 positions.
Elgin frequently marks watches as having "x
adjustments", where 'x' is some number greater
than three, often 6 or 8. This means that it has
been adjusted to temperature (2 adjustments),
isochronism (1 adjustment) and the remaining x-3
adjustments are to positions. You sometimes see
people say that a watch is "adjusted to 8
positions" because they misinterpret the phrase "8
adjustments". They fail to realize that 3 of those
adjustments are to heat, cold and isochronism, and
the watch is really adjusted to just 5 positions.
(There appears to be a few rare cases when Elgin
and other companies may have marked a watch as
having "8 adjustments" and meant 6 positions.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 5 to 6
Anonymous · March 21, 2013
Serial Number J372032 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Adjusted to 8 Positions:
The best watches were timed in six positions: DU
- dial up, DD - dial down, PU - pendant up, PL -
pendant left, PD - pendant down and PR - pendant
right. Often five positions were used, typically
omitting the PD position.
The best watches were timed in six positions: DU
- dial up, DD - dial down, PU - pendant up, PL -
pendant left, PD - pendant down and PR - pendant
right. Often five positions were used, typically
omitting the PD position.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 5 to 6
Anonymous · March 11, 2013
Serial Number J372745 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 5 to 6
Anonymous · March 8, 2013
Serial Number J372032 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Adjusted to 8 Positions on mine
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 5 to 6
Anonymous · July 24, 2012
Serial Number J375876 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 5 to 6
Anonymous · April 11, 2012
Serial Number J373985 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 5 positions may be right, but adjusted as NO
probably isn't. The text on the bridge says
ADJUSTED - 8 POSITIONS. I assume this is heat,
cold, isochonism, and 5 positional adjustments? So
for heat, cold and isochonism the answer to
Adjusted should probably be YES.
probably isn't. The text on the bridge says
ADJUSTED - 8 POSITIONS. I assume this is heat,
cold, isochonism, and 5 positional adjustments? So
for heat, cold and isochonism the answer to
Adjusted should probably be YES.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Adjusted # Positions changed from 5 to 6
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