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Access Date: April 25, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Illinois Watch Co.
Grade: 69
| Manufacturer: | Illinois |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Springfield, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 1772910 | |
| Grade: | 69 | |
| Model: | 6 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1905 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 70 of 277 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 120,007 | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Screw-Set | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Black | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Fine | |
| Regulator: | Micrometric | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Adjusted: | No | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| Dial Feet Locations: | 2.0, 21.5, 38.5 | |
| Case Screw Locations: | 23.5, 51.5 | |
| Movement Markings: | Illinois Watch Co. Springfield 17 Jewels |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 5235.69G131.18S3429.186M801.O1981.L4365.17J1181 | |
| Database Version: | v52.245 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 361.31 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1,219.48 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 2.111% | |
| Registry Population: | 7 (0.70%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | -14.84% Analyzing 668 Sales | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 69
Target Profile: 18S-M6-17J-ONL-U
| Illinois Grade 69 (All Variations): 138,913 ETP | |
| 18S: 138,913 100.00% 18s, Grade 69 |
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| 18S-M6: 120,007 86.39% 18s, Grade 69, Model 6 |
Other: 18,906
Other Models or Unclassified |
| 18S-M6-17J: 120,007 86.39% 18s, Grade 69, Model 6, 17 Jewels |
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| 18S-M6-17J-ONL: 120,007 86.39% 18s, Grade 69, Model 6, 17 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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| 18S-M6-17J-ONL-U: 120,007 86.39% | |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 7 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
PHIL1199 Supporter 960 · June 2, 2023
Serial Number 1772956 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 18, 2021
Serial Number 1772841 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 11, 2020
Serial Number 1772632 was reported as accurate.
oilseed Supporter 470 · October 22, 2019
Serial Number 1772410 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Replying to your question: in the book "AMERICAN
POCKET WATCHES, Illinois Watch Co., Encyclopedia &
Price Guide" Bill Meggers & Roy Ehrhardt, PP101.
under Grade 69, it states "15 or 17 jewels --
ADJUSTED (or unmarked), "69" --Temperature,
Positions, Isochronism..." This is interpreted as
meaning 'YES' these movements were ADJUSTED (even
if the bridge plate is 'not' marked as such).
POCKET WATCHES, Illinois Watch Co., Encyclopedia &
Price Guide" Bill Meggers & Roy Ehrhardt, PP101.
under Grade 69, it states "15 or 17 jewels --
ADJUSTED (or unmarked), "69" --Temperature,
Positions, Isochronism..." This is interpreted as
meaning 'YES' these movements were ADJUSTED (even
if the bridge plate is 'not' marked as such).
Curator Response: Thanks for the followup with the source information. I am aware of the claim in the Meggers/Ehrhardt book, but I have not found any evidence to substantiate this. During this era, the Illinois Watch Company was marking adjusted movements as "Adjusted." Additionally, no period advertisements have been found to indicate the Grade 69 was adjusted when other grade descriptions clearly make the claim when relevant. Let me know if you happen to find original materials to support the level of adjustment.
oilseed Supporter 470 · October 16, 2019
Serial Number 1772410 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: I see a number of correction to this page,
The size you have listed is incorrect. should be
18s.
The run size is correct (1000) but total
production is incorrect, should be 119568.
The ‘movement drawing’ is incorrect, should
be EA 457.
Plate should be FULL (not ¾)
not Double Roller. Change to Single roller.
ADJUSTED needs to be changed to YES (Temperature,
Positions & Isochronism)
Dial feet locations: 2.0, 21.5, 38.5
case screw locations: 23.5, 51.5
additional specs you ‘may’ want to add (or
not) your decision
- hairspring = Breguet
- safety center pinion
- regulator = REED (micro)
The size you have listed is incorrect. should be
18s.
The run size is correct (1000) but total
production is incorrect, should be 119568.
The ‘movement drawing’ is incorrect, should
be EA 457.
Plate should be FULL (not ¾)
not Double Roller. Change to Single roller.
ADJUSTED needs to be changed to YES (Temperature,
Positions & Isochronism)
Dial feet locations: 2.0, 21.5, 38.5
case screw locations: 23.5, 51.5
additional specs you ‘may’ want to add (or
not) your decision
- hairspring = Breguet
- safety center pinion
- regulator = REED (micro)
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. Most of the information you covered was pulled in due to the incorrect size correlation. Is your movement marked "Adjusted?" I have not found any primary sources to support that the Grade 69 was adjusted.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
Anonymous · March 19, 2019
Serial Number 1772240 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
Anonymous · February 10, 2019
Serial Number 1772920 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
rjcullis 114 · November 1, 2017
Serial Number 1772608 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Adjusted changed from Yes to No
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
peterkay 4 · April 13, 2016
Serial Number 1772316 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Adjusted changed from Yes to No
Railroad Grade changed from Yes to No
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
Anonymous · March 24, 2014
Serial Number 1772508 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Adjusted changed from Yes to No
Railroad Grade changed from Yes to No
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
Anonymous · December 17, 2012
Serial Number 1772600 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from 16 to 18
Adjusted changed from Yes to No
Railroad Grade changed from Yes to No
Plate changed from 3/4 to Full
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