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Access Date: November 28, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 239
Veritas or "No. 349"
Manufacturer: | Elgin | |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
Movement Serial Number: | 11505990 | |
Grade: | 239 | |
Variation: | Mixed | |
Model: | 8 | |
Generation: | First | |
Class: | 90 | |
Estimated Production Year: | 1905 | |
Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
Grade/Model Run: | 13 of 17 | |
Grade/Model Total Production: | 18,800 | |
Variant Est. Production: | 2,000 (18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED) | |
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 1,200 | |
Size: | 18s | |
Jewels: | 21j | |
Jewel Material: | Ruby | |
Jewel Setting: | Raised Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
Movement Signing Style: | Mixed | |
Movement Inlay Color: | Black | |
Movement Setting: | Lever | |
Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
Double Roller: | Yes | |
Barrel: | Safety | |
Balance Jewel Material: | Diamond | |
Train: | Quick | |
Train Material: | Gold | |
Center Wheel Material: | Gold | |
Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
Hairspring: | Breguet | |
Escapement Type: | Straight-line | |
Pallet Jewel Material: | Sapphire | |
Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
Adjusted: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
Wind Indicator: | No | |
U.S. Patents: | 596407, 77078, 596408 | |
Movement Markings: | Veritas [or "No. 349"] Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted Safety Barrel |
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Case: | Various | |
Run ID: | 4909.239G13.18S2343.188M49.O1523.L1632.21J126 | |
Data Research: |
1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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Database Version: | v52.469 | |
Advanced Metrics | ||
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 56.60 | |
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 21.82 | |
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.037% | |
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 21 (2.10%) | |
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | -3.00% Analyzing 219 Sales | |
Research Note: The last ~100 movements from this run are marked "No. 349" instead of "Veritas."
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 239
Target Profile: 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED
Elgin Grade 239 (All Variations): 18,800 ETP | |
18S: 18,800 100.00% 18s, Grade 239 |
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18S-M8: 18,800 100.00% 18s, Grade 239, Model 8 |
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18S-M8-21J: 18,800 100.00% 18s, Grade 239, Model 8, 21 Jewels |
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18S-M8-21J-ONL: 18,800 100.00% 18s, Grade 239, Model 8, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 18,800 100.00% | |
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED: 2,000 10.64% | Other: 16,800
Other Variants or Unclassified |
NOTE: 20,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 1,200 Never Manufactured |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 21 watches in the population registry for this run with 3 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
nicnic Supporter 405 · August 21, 2023
Serial Number 11505771 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 18, 2021
Serial Number 11505979 was reported as inaccurate.
"No. 349" where the "Veritas" would otherwise be.
Mixed run? Stray? cheers duffy l.
dfchong 837 · December 16, 2016
Serial Number 11505200 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 27, 2013
Serial Number 11505594 was reported as accurate.
LeroyC 392 · September 9, 2013
Serial Number 11505523 was reported as inaccurate.
positions adjusted to not indicated on movement),
no wind indicator on this S/N.
Anonymous · March 16, 2013
Serial Number 11505977 was reported as inaccurate.
"no 349" instead of Veritas
Anonymous · November 25, 2012
Serial Number 11505951 was reported as inaccurate.
is correct
Anonymous · May 15, 2012
Serial Number 11505274 was reported as inaccurate.
But the rest of the information in correct.
Thank you for having this site available, it is a
great resource.
Harley R Gibson
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