Pocket Watch Database


From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 274 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 274

Mixed Run: "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." or "Father Time" or "Veritas" or "B.W. Raymond"

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 11587937 Question Mark
Grade: 274 Question Mark
Variation: Mixed Question Mark
Model: 9 Question Mark
Class: 99 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1905 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 4 of 4 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 4,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 3,000 (18S-M9-21J-HNL-A5PTI-MIXED) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Gold Settings (Screw-Set) Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Hunting Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Safety Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Adjustment Tolerance: [10] 5P +/- 10 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 3 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 0-2 s/24hrs. Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class C Question Mark
Wind Indicator: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 4953.274G4.18S2358.189M4.H3315.L1640.21J127 Question Mark
Data Research: 1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.511 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
12.04 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
4.60 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.008% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
19 (1.90%) Question Mark
Research Note: #11587153: Verified as Marked "Veritas."
#11587159: Verified as Marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co."
#11587333: Verified as Marked "Father Time."
#11587394: Reported as Marked "Father Time."
#11587504: Reported as Marked "Father Time."
#11587724: Reported as Marked "B.W. Raymond."
#11587937: Verified as Marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co."
#11587979: Reported as Marked "B.W. Raymond."

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · February 19, 2022

Serial Number 11587504 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 11587504 marked "father time".
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

Anonymous · December 7, 2021

Serial Number 11587724 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked B.W.Raymond
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

Anonymous · December 11, 2020

Serial Number 11587204 was reported as accurate.

pedro765 41 · October 13, 2019

Serial Number 11587153 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked Veritas
Curator Response: Verified. [eBay #133202097899]

Anonymous · July 25, 2019

Serial Number 11587090 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 13, 2018

Serial Number 11587481 was reported as accurate.

CechBro 36 · August 19, 2018

Serial Number 11587394 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Correction moment appears all other in photo's but
marked Father Time. Serial # 11587394

CechBro 36 · August 19, 2018

Serial Number 11587394 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 4, 2018

Serial Number 11587982 was reported as accurate.

334334 44 · November 8, 2017

Serial Number 11587979 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 24, 2017

Serial Number 11587979 was reported as accurate.

334334 44 · September 22, 2017

Serial Number 11587979 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is marked BW RAYMOND, not Father
Time. In the Elgin, database it shows it as a BW
RAYMOND -serial number #11587979 18s 21j -code
h3n91-class99-ad/5p

334334 44 · September 18, 2017

Serial Number 11587979 was reported as accurate.

shovelhead 66 · April 19, 2017

Serial Number 11587724 was reported as accurate.

Yellowtail420 Supporter 104 · February 27, 2017

Serial Number 11587937 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is marked Elgin Natl Watch Co. not
Father Time. Also it has diamond end stones.

DaveReid 52 · December 28, 2016

Serial Number 11587593 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 22, 2014

Serial Number 11587429 was reported as accurate.

LeroyC 392 · May 10, 2014

Serial Number 11587148 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: No wind indicator on this S/N, not marked
'Veritas'

walter2 56 · May 5, 2014

Serial Number 11587552 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 24, 2013

Serial Number 11587076 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 6, 2013

Serial Number 11587842 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 1, 2013

Serial Number 11587842 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 10, 2012

Serial Number 11587767 was reported as accurate.

Elgin Grade 274 Pocket Watch