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Access Date: December 20, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 69
B.W. Raymond
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 129181 | |
| Grade: | 69 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond | |
| Model: | 1 | |
| Class: | 1 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1872 | |
| Run Quantity: | 5,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 16 of 24 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 29,054 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 26,054 (18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND) | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 15j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Adaptable | |
| Movement Finish: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Key | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Moseley | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 2 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | No | |
| Adjustment Tolerance: | [21] 2P +/- 15 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 8 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 5 s/24hrs. | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Movement Markings: | B.W. Raymond Elgin, Ills. Patent Pinion Adjusted |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 145.69G16.18S140.181M140.H144.K144.15J44 | |
| Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.516 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 87.47 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 33.75 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.057% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 72 (1.44%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | -13.71% Analyzing 287 Sales | |
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Research Note: Elgin began marking the Grade 69 Raymond "Adjusted" within this run. #125956, #126058, #126277, #126388, and #129996 [Double Sunk Dial] have been verified as not marked "Adjusted." #126847 (Penn RR Dial), #127033, #127070, #128566 (Penn RR Dial), #128134 (Fancy Swiss Dial), and #129181 have been verified as marked "Adjusted." The 1873 Elgin Almanac includes two illustrations of the Grade 69 Raymond movement, one with "Adjusted" marked, and the other without.
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 69
Target Profile: 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND
| Elgin Grade 69 (All Variations): 29,054 ETP | |
| 18S: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69 |
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| 18S-M1: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1 |
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| 18S-M1-15J: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels |
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| 18S-M1-15J-HGK: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels, Adaptable/Key/Gilt |
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| 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P: 29,054 100.00% | |
| 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND: 26,054 89.67% | Other: 3,000
Other Variants or Unclassified |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 72 watches in the population registry for this run with 11 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · October 7, 2023
Serial Number 125628 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 7, 2022
Serial Number 126691 was reported as accurate.
Cheryl5150 28 · December 27, 2021
Serial Number 128134 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 18, 2021
Serial Number 129070 was reported as accurate.
cmdraven 4083 · November 17, 2021
Serial Number 125907 was reported as accurate.
Cheryl5150 28 · September 17, 2021
Serial Number 128134 was reported as accurate.
Cheryl5150 28 · September 17, 2021
Serial Number 128134 was reported as accurate.
Fifty50 Supporter 350 · May 6, 2021
Serial Number 125472 was reported as accurate.
xtoolmanx Supporter 7 · March 17, 2021
Serial Number 129181 was reported as accurate.
wepouaout 23 · February 28, 2021
Serial Number 126731 was reported as accurate.
wepouaout 23 · February 28, 2021
Serial Number 126388 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 27, 2020
Serial Number 125465 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 24, 2020
Serial Number 129392 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 1, 2020
Serial Number 128195 was reported as accurate.
2mnyboxers Supporter 408 · November 17, 2019
Serial Number 128112 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 18, 2019
Serial Number 129540 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 2, 2019
Serial Number 129194 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 6, 2019
Serial Number 129805 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 27, 2019
Serial Number 126282 was reported as accurate.
WLBelkriver33 804 · October 18, 2018
Serial Number 127913 was reported as accurate.
WLBelkriver33 804 · October 17, 2018
Serial Number 127913 was reported as accurate.
WLBelkriver33 804 · October 16, 2018
Serial Number 127913 was reported as accurate.
WLBelkriver33 804 · October 15, 2018
Serial Number 127013 was reported as accurate.
tobpec Supporter 31 · October 13, 2018
Serial Number 126277 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 5, 2018
Serial Number 127605 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 11, 2018
Serial Number 126101 was reported as accurate.
TimeKingJCW 11 · January 16, 2018
Serial Number 128515 was reported as accurate.
TimeKingJCW 11 · January 16, 2018
Serial Number 127166 was reported as inaccurate.
TimeKingJCW 11 · January 16, 2018
Serial Number 127166 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 15, 2018
Serial Number 129069 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 26, 2017
Serial Number 129568 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 1, 2017
Serial Number 126007 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 18, 2017
Serial Number 129386 was reported as inaccurate.
dgould1 1 · June 26, 2017
Serial Number 125121 was reported as accurate.
pappybob 46 · June 8, 2017
Serial Number 129026 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 29, 2017
Serial Number 125154 was reported as accurate.
jacobwalls07 143 · February 22, 2017
Serial Number 128148 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 20, 2017
Serial Number 128148 was reported as accurate.
Jerry9 2 · February 4, 2017
Serial Number 126140 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 21, 2016
Serial Number 125497 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 12, 2016
Serial Number 129892 was reported as inaccurate.
Movement also has later 1881 Abbott pat. stem
winding system.
daddo46 992 · April 14, 2016
Serial Number 128391 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 9, 2016
Serial Number 125230 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 14, 2016
Serial Number 128828 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · February 26, 2016
Serial Number 129039 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 10, 2015
Serial Number 129186 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 19, 2015
Serial Number 128699 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 19, 2015
Serial Number 126704 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 29, 2015
Serial Number 128566 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 9, 2015
Serial Number 129194 was reported as accurate.
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