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Access Date: December 25, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 389 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 389

Father Time

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 16135710 Question Mark
Grade: 389 Question Mark
Variation: Father Time Question Mark
Model: 8 Question Mark
Generation: Third Question Mark
Class: 134 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1912 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 2 of 3 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 3,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: 1,000 Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Traveling Nut (spring) Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 7671.389G2.18S3133.188M125.O2789.L2073.21J206 Question Mark
Data Research: 1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.526 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 9.03 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 3.43 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.006% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		14 (1.40%) Question Mark
Research Note: Observations in this run indicate some were produced with gilded winding wheels, click, regulator, and screws. (#16135710, #16135512, and #16135362 Verified).
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 389

Target Profile: 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME

Elgin Grade 389 (All Variations): 3,000 ETP
18S: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389
18S-M8: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389, Model 8
18S-M8-21J: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389, Model 8, 21 Jewels
18S-M8-21J-ONL: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389, Model 8, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 3,000 100.00%
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME: 3,000 100.00%
NOTE: 4,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 1,000 Never Manufactured

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · June 4, 2023

Serial Number 16135811 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 5, 2022

Serial Number 16135580 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 26, 2021

Serial Number 16135721 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 2, 2020

Serial Number 16135486 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 17, 2018

Serial Number 16135589 was reported as accurate.

von1943 Supporter 392 · February 24, 2017

Serial Number 16135270 was reported as accurate.

von1943 Supporter 392 · February 24, 2017

Serial Number 16135270 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 31, 2017

Serial Number 16135262 was reported as accurate.

Chronified Supporter 212 · October 21, 2016

Serial Number 16135851 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 14, 2016

Serial Number 16135313 was reported as accurate.

rfregoso 55 · August 28, 2016

Serial Number 16135409 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 13, 2016

Serial Number 16135065 was reported as accurate.

pedro765 41 · May 16, 2016

Serial Number 16135721 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 22, 2016

Serial Number 16135066 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 22, 2016

Serial Number 16135066 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 4, 2015

Serial Number 16135065 was reported as accurate.

bowfinn 52 · June 10, 2014

Serial Number 16135448 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 8, 2013

Serial Number 16135965 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 18, 2013

Serial Number 16135199 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Father Time

Anonymous · February 3, 2013

Serial Number 16135900 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · January 28, 2013

Serial Number 16135900 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement marked Father Time not B.W.Raymond

Anonymous · August 22, 2012

Serial Number 16135669 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement marked Father Time not B.W.Raymond

Anonymous · August 4, 2012

Serial Number 16135485 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: It says Father Time not BW Raymond *****@gmail.com
Elgin Grade 389 Pocket Watch