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From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 391 Pocket Watch
Elgin Grade 391 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 391

"Father Time" or "B.W. Raymond"

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 16136070 Question Mark
Grade: 391 Question Mark
Variation: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Model: 15 Question Mark
Class: 98 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Run Quantity: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Size: 16s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
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Jewel Setting: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Wind Mechanism: Pendant Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Double Roller: Yes Question Mark
Barrel: Safety Question Mark
Train: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Regulator: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Hairspring: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Pallet Jewel Material: Sapphire Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Wind Indicator Available: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Wind Indicator Present: Login to View for Free Question Mark
U.S. Patents: Login to View for Free Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 7672.391G4.16S1810.1615M40.O2790.L2074.21J207 Question Mark
Data Research: 1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.645 Question Mark
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18 (1.80%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 3.92% Analyzing 80 Sales Question Mark
Research Note: Mixed Run: Father Time and B.W. Raymond. #16136441: Verified as Marked "B.W. Raymond."
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


CG12960 26 · June 1, 2024

Serial Number 16136848 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked Father Time

Anonymous · September 12, 2022

Serial Number 16136336 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 9, 2020

Serial Number 16136059 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 21, 2020

Serial Number 16136024 was reported as accurate.

bobpat81 23 · April 4, 2019

Serial Number 16136500 was reported as accurate.

Urbanops 51 · December 24, 2017

Serial Number 16136435 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: No wind indicator present

Anonymous · December 23, 2017

Serial Number 16136521 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 16136521 marked as B.W. Raymond

sgitman 1 · August 1, 2017

Serial Number 16136078 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: MARKED FATHER TIME

mckeedale 18 · January 20, 2017

Serial Number 16136428 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 25, 2016

Serial Number 16136607 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 25, 2016

Serial Number 16136607 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 20, 2016

Serial Number 16136911 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 29, 2016

Serial Number 16136951 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 23, 2016

Serial Number 16136943 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 22, 2016

Serial Number 16136066 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 22, 2013

Serial Number 16136439 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 18, 2013

Serial Number 16136616 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 18, 2012

Serial Number 16136616 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 20, 2012

Serial Number 16136441 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 17, 2012

Serial Number 16136700 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 27, 2012

Serial Number 16136848 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The grade 391 is also marked Father Time, this is
my second example of one being marked Father Time
Elgin Grade 391 Pocket Watch
Elgin Grade 391 Pocket Watch