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Access Date: November 19, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 389 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 389

Father Time

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 16267474 Question Mark
Grade: 389 Question Mark
Variation: Father Time Question Mark
Model: 8 Question Mark
Generation: Third Question Mark
Class: 134 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1912 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 3 of 3 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 3,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: 1,000 Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Traveling Nut (spring) Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 7761.389G3.18S3140.188M126.O2835.L2083.21J211 Question Mark
Data Research: 1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.445 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 9.03 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 3.43 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.006% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		17 (1.70%) Question Mark
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 389

Target Profile: 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME

Elgin Grade 389 (All Variations): 3,000 ETP
18S: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389
18S-M8: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389, Model 8
18S-M8-21J: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389, Model 8, 21 Jewels
18S-M8-21J-ONL: 3,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 389, Model 8, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 3,000 100.00%
18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME: 3,000 100.00%
NOTE: 4,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 1,000 Never Manufactured

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

cjbrem Supporter 915 · September 28, 2024

Serial Number 16267872 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 28, 2023

Serial Number 16267547 was reported as accurate.

chuck1500 112 · January 18, 2021

Serial Number 16267474 was reported as accurate.

Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 307 · August 19, 2020

Serial Number 16267367 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 8, 2020

Serial Number 16267863 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 23, 2020

Serial Number 16267914 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 14, 2019

Serial Number 16267406 was reported as accurate.

Shazam 9 · November 14, 2019

Serial Number 16267707 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 15, 2019

Serial Number 16267449 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 5, 2019

Serial Number 16267468 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 13, 2017

Serial Number 16267676 was reported as accurate.

smedley 1 · November 1, 2016

Serial Number 16267182 was reported as accurate.

Gasperoff Supporter 727 · November 14, 2015

Serial Number 16267603 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The serial # on the movement matches your search,
but Father Time is engraved on the movement. Your
search says B.W. Raymond.

Gasperoff Supporter 727 · November 14, 2015

Serial Number 16267603 was reported as accurate.

pedro765 41 · June 19, 2015

Serial Number 16267267 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Note: Father Time

Anonymous · January 7, 2015

Serial Number 16267257 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 9, 2013

Serial Number 16267220 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: my watch says father time not bw raymond

Anonymous · January 27, 2013

Serial Number 16267249 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · August 4, 2012

Serial Number 16267157 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This also says Father Time *****@gmail.com

Anonymous · July 7, 2012

Serial Number 16267590 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This serial number has "Father Time" written on
the movement--all other info is correct

Anonymous · May 15, 2012

Serial Number 16267546 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: marked father time on movement and all numbers
match

Anonymous · April 11, 2012

Serial Number 16267351 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Mine has these specifications but is marked
"Father Time"
Elgin Grade 389 Pocket Watch