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Access Date: October 13, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 375
Mixed Run: "Veritas" or "Father Time"
Manufacturer: | Elgin | |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
Movement Serial Number: | 16971437 | |
Grade: | 375 | |
Variation: | Mixed | |
Model: | 15 | |
Class: | 98 | |
Estimated Production Year: | 1912 | |
Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
Grade/Model Run: | 4 of 4 | |
Grade/Model Total Production: | 3,050 | |
Variant Est. Production: | 2,000 (16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED) | |
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 950 | |
Size: | 16s | |
Jewels: | 21j | |
Jewel Material: | Ruby & Sapphire | |
Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
Movement Inlay Color: | Gilt | |
Movement Setting: | Lever | |
Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
Double Roller: | Yes | |
Barrel: | Safety | |
Train: | Quick | |
Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
Hairspring: | Breguet | |
Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
Adjusted: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
Wind Indicator: | No | |
U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
Movement Markings: | Veritas Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Safety Barrel Adjusted 5 Positions |
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Case: | Various | |
Run ID: | 8268.375G5.16S1952.1615M55.O3077.L2107.21J222 | |
Data Research: |
1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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Database Version: | v52.407 | |
Advanced Metrics | ||
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 9.18 | |
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 3.49 | |
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.006% | |
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 16 (1.60%) | |
Research Note: Movements marked "Veritas" and "Father Time" reported in run. #16971618, #16971842, #16971873: Verified as Marked "Father Time." #16971449: Reported as marked "Veritas."
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 375
Target Profile: 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED
Elgin Grade 375 (All Variations): 3,050 ETP | |||||||||
16S: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375 |
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16S-M15: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375, Model 15 |
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16S-M15-21J: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375, Model 15, 21 Jewels |
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16S-M15-21J-ONL: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375, Model 15, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 3,050 100.00% | |||||||||
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED: 2,000 65.57% | |||||||||
NOTE: 4,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 950 Never Manufactured |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 16 watches in the population registry for this run with 4 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Scuba75 Supporter 33 · February 19, 2024
Serial Number 16971412 was reported as accurate.
Scuba75 Supporter 33 · February 19, 2024
Serial Number 16971412 was reported as accurate.
tad001 6 · May 6, 2023
Serial Number 16971842 was reported as accurate.
CG12960 26 · July 22, 2022
Serial Number 16971449 was reported as inaccurate.
10mueller 38 · July 15, 2021
Serial Number 16971842 was reported as inaccurate.
10mueller 38 · June 11, 2021
Serial Number 16971842 was reported as accurate.
Joef21 162 · June 29, 2020
Serial Number 16971618 was reported as inaccurate.
FATHER TIME.
Anonymous · May 5, 2018
Serial Number 16971199 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · February 3, 2016
Serial Number 16971587 was reported as inaccurate.
lettering. markings are"Father Time:Elgin
U.S.A.:21 Jewels:Adjusted 5 Positions:Safety
Barrel" plus the serial number.
rocket00 236 · June 10, 2014
Serial Number 16971886 was reported as accurate.
jteifert 18 · January 11, 2014
Serial Number 16971959 was reported as inaccurate.
indicator.
LeroyC 392 · October 2, 2013
Serial Number 16971115 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · August 30, 2013
Serial Number 16971618 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · March 18, 2013
Serial Number 16971779 was reported as inaccurate.
indicator
Anonymous · March 10, 2013
Serial Number 16971587 was reported as inaccurate.
Veritas, and it does not have a winding indicator.
Anonymous · February 25, 2013
Serial Number 16971101 was reported as inaccurate.
winding indicator
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