Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 16971842 (Grade 375)

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Access Date: April 18, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 375

Mixed Run: "Veritas" or "Father Time"

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	16971842
Grade:	375
Variation:	Mixed
Model:	15
Class:	98
Estimated Production Year:	1912
Run Quantity:	1,000
Grade/Model Run:	4 of 4
Grade/Model Total Production:	3,050
Variant Est. Production:	2,000 (16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED)
Grade/Model Unrealized Production:	950
Size:	16s
Jewels:	21j
Jewel Material:	Ruby & Sapphire
Jewel Setting:	Gold Settings (Screw-Set)
Movement Configuration:	Openface
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Inlay Color:	Gilt
Movement Setting:	Lever
Plate:	3/4 Plate
Double Roller:	Yes
Barrel:	Safety
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Traveling Nut (spring)
Hairspring:	Breguet
Standard Dial Type:	Double-Sunk
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted # of Positions:	5
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Adjusted to Isochronism:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
Railroad Grade Classification:	Class A
Wind Indicator:	No
U.S. Patents:	77078, 596407, 596408
Movement Markings:	Veritas Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Safety Barrel Adjusted 5 Positions
Data Research:	1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case:	Various
Run ID:	8267.375G5.16S1952.1615M55.O3077.L2106.21J221
Database Version:	v52.235
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	9.18
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	3.49
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.006%
Registry Population:	16 (1.60%)
Research Note: Movements marked "Veritas" and "Father Time" reported in run. #16971618, #16971842, #16971873: Verified as Marked "Father Time." #16971449: Reported as marked "Veritas."

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 375

Target Profile: 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED

Elgin Grade 375 (All Variations): 3,050 ETP
16S: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375
16S-M15: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375, Model 15
16S-M15-21J: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375, Model 15, 21 Jewels
16S-M15-21J-ONL: 3,050 100.00% 16s, Grade 375, Model 15, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 3,050 100.00%
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED: 2,000 65.57%
NOTE: 4,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 950 Never Manufactured

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Scuba75 Supporter 33 · February 19, 2024

Serial Number 16971412 was reported as accurate.

Scuba75 Supporter 33 · February 19, 2024

Serial Number 16971412 was reported as accurate.

tad001 6 · May 6, 2023

Serial Number 16971842 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 2, 2023

Serial Number 16971366 was reported as accurate.

CG12960 21 · July 22, 2022

Serial Number 16971449 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked as Father Time and not Veritas

Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

10mueller 38 · July 15, 2021

Serial Number 16971842 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Father Time

Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

10mueller 38 · June 11, 2021

Serial Number 16971842 was reported as accurate.

Joef21 162 · June 29, 2020

Serial Number 16971618 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: just reporting that this serial number is marked
FATHER TIME.

Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

Anonymous · August 6, 2018

Serial Number 16971145 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 1, 2018

Serial Number 16971145 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 5, 2018

Serial Number 16971199 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This SN marked Veritas; no wind indicator

Anonymous · December 1, 2016

Serial Number 16971807 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 3, 2016

Serial Number 16971587 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Grade 375, but marked father time in block
lettering. markings are"Father Time:Elgin
U.S.A.:21 Jewels:Adjusted 5 Positions:Safety
Barrel" plus the serial number.