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Access Date: December 30, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 375 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 375

Mixed Run: "Veritas" or "Father Time"

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 16971842 Question Mark
Grade: 375 Question Mark
Variation: Mixed Question Mark
Model: 15 Question Mark
Class: 98 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1912 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 4 of 4 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 3,050 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 2,000 (16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED) Question Mark
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: 950 Question Mark
Size: 16s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby & Sapphire Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Gold Settings (Screw-Set) Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Gilt Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Double Roller: Yes Question Mark
Barrel: Safety Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Traveling Nut (spring) Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class A Question Mark
Wind Indicator: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Veritas
Elgin, Ill.
U.S.A.
21 Jewels
Safety Barrel
Adjusted
5 Positions
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 8268.375G5.16S1952.1615M55.O3077.L2107.21J222 Question Mark
Data Research: 1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
 Question Mark
Database Version: v52.529 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 9.18 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 3.49 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.006% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		16 (1.60%) Question Mark
Research Note: Movements marked "Veritas" and "Father Time" reported in run. #16971618, #16971842, #16971873: Verified as Marked "Father Time." #16971449: Reported as marked "Veritas."
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 375

Target Profile: 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED

Elgin Grade 375 (All Variations): 3,050 ETP
16S: 3,050 100.00%
16s, Grade 375
16S-M15: 3,050 100.00%
16s, Grade 375, Model 15
16S-M15-21J: 3,050 100.00%
16s, Grade 375, Model 15, 21 Jewels
16S-M15-21J-ONL: 3,050 100.00%
16s, Grade 375, Model 15, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 3,050 100.00%
16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED: 2,000 65.57% Other: 1,050
Other Variants or Unclassified
NOTE: 4,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 950 Never Manufactured

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Scuba75 Supporter 34 · February 19, 2024

Serial Number 16971412 was reported as accurate.

Scuba75 Supporter 34 · February 19, 2024

Serial Number 16971412 was reported as accurate.

tad001 6 · May 6, 2023

Serial Number 16971842 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 2, 2023

Serial Number 16971366 was reported as accurate.

CG12960 26 · July 22, 2022

Serial Number 16971449 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked as Father Time and not Veritas
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

10mueller 38 · July 15, 2021

Serial Number 16971842 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Father Time
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

10mueller 38 · June 11, 2021

Serial Number 16971842 was reported as accurate.

Joef21 162 · June 29, 2020

Serial Number 16971618 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: just reporting that this serial number is marked
FATHER TIME.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This information has been noted in the research notes for this run.

Anonymous · August 6, 2018

Serial Number 16971145 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 1, 2018

Serial Number 16971145 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 5, 2018

Serial Number 16971199 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This SN marked Veritas; no wind indicator

Anonymous · December 1, 2016

Serial Number 16971807 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 3, 2016

Serial Number 16971587 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Grade 375, but marked father time in block
lettering. markings are"Father Time:Elgin
U.S.A.:21 Jewels:Adjusted 5 Positions:Safety
Barrel" plus the serial number.

Anonymous · March 30, 2015

Serial Number 16971170 was reported as accurate.

rocket00 236 · June 10, 2014

Serial Number 16971886 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 28, 2014

Serial Number 16971595 was reported as accurate.

jteifert 18 · January 11, 2014

Serial Number 16971959 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 16971959 is also a Father time without a wind
indicator.

LeroyC 392 · October 2, 2013

Serial Number 16971115 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: No wind indicator on this SN, it is marked Veritas

Anonymous · August 30, 2013

Serial Number 16971618 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: it should be labled as FATHER TIME not VERITAS.

Anonymous · July 9, 2013

Serial Number 16971116 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 18, 2013

Serial Number 16971779 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement marked FATHER TIME and no winding
indicator

Anonymous · March 10, 2013

Serial Number 16971587 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The watch I am looking at is a Father Time, not a
Veritas, and it does not have a winding indicator.

Anonymous · February 25, 2013

Serial Number 16971101 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: It is not a Veritas, but a Father Time and no
winding indicator

Anonymous · February 16, 2013

Serial Number 16971361 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: No wind indicator

Anonymous · May 17, 2012

Serial Number 16971199 was reported as accurate.

Elgin Grade 375 Pocket Watch