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Access Date: November 21, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 581 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 581

Some Marked "21 Jewels" - All Contain 22 Jewels. Mixed Finish: Gold-Flashed and Standard Nickel

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 41751190 Question Mark
Grade: 581 Question Mark
Variation: B.W. Raymond Question Mark
Model: 15 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1943 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 10,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 8 of 9 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 20,800 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 14,000 (16S-M15-22J-OFP) Question Mark
Size: 16s Question Mark
Jewels: 22j    Mixed Run Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Gold Flashed Question Mark
Movement Signing Style: Mixed Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Black Question Mark
Movement Setting: Pendant Question Mark
Plate: 3/4 Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Ball Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Isochronism: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 596407, 596408 Question Mark
Movement Markings: B.W. Raymond
Elgin Nat'l Watch Co.
U.S.A.
21 Jewels
Adjusted 5 Positions
Temperature
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 15014.581G8.16S3832.1615M352.O6884.P11862.22J7 Question Mark
Data Research: 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.449 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 62.62 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 24.14 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.041% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		79 (0.79%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 2.26% Analyzing 79 Sales Question Mark
Research Note: #41754795 Verified to be Marked "21 Jewels" (Actually 22 Jewels) with standard nickel finish. #41754222: Reported with Standard Nickel Finish. #41759318 and #41758587: Verified as Marked "22 Jewels" with Nickel Finish. #41755383: Reported as Marked "21 Jewels" with Nickel Finish.
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 581

Target Profile: 16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND

Elgin Grade 581 (All Variations): 20,800 ETP
16S: 20,800 100.00%
16s, Grade 581
16S-M15: 20,800 100.00%
16s, Grade 581, Model 15
16S-M15-22J: 18,500 88.94%
16s, Grade 581, Model 15, 22 Jewels		 Other: 2,300
Other Jewels or Unclassified
16S-M15-22J-OFP: 14,000 67.31%
16s, Grade 581, Model 15, 22 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Gold Flashed 		Other: 4,500
Other Configs or Unclassified
16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI: 14,000 67.31%
16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND: 14,000 67.31%

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · April 17, 2024

Serial Number 41753924 was reported as accurate.

CoopDoggyDogg 2 · March 10, 2024

Serial Number 41751190 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 14, 2023

Serial Number 41753321 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 26, 2023

Serial Number 41753031 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 8, 2023

Serial Number 41756328 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · August 29, 2023

Serial Number 41755393 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 12, 2023

Serial Number 41755393 was reported as accurate.

ebsrods Supporter 130 · June 29, 2023

Serial Number 41759663 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 4, 2022

Serial Number 41750001 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · April 30, 2022

Serial Number 41750391 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · January 23, 2022

Serial Number 41750305 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · June 22, 2021

Serial Number 41755203 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · June 3, 2021

Serial Number 41753702 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

steve288 264 · May 29, 2021

Serial Number 41752210 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Olivia600 5 · May 27, 2021

Serial Number 41756188 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · May 15, 2021

Serial Number 41750886 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · April 26, 2021

Serial Number 41750261 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · February 10, 2021

Serial Number 41751838 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · February 8, 2021

Serial Number 41751928 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · January 27, 2021

Serial Number 41756513 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · January 16, 2021

Serial Number 41753923 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · December 25, 2020

Serial Number 41750200 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · October 15, 2020

Serial Number 41752514 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · August 14, 2020

Serial Number 41753618 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · July 16, 2020

Serial Number 41753021 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · July 5, 2020

Serial Number 41756417 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

geneg72 7 · June 10, 2020

Serial Number 41755329 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · May 9, 2020

Serial Number 41756065 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 21jewel nickel finish
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · April 29, 2020

Serial Number 41753988 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · April 29, 2020

Serial Number 41753714 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · April 3, 2020

Serial Number 41750640 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · March 4, 2020

Serial Number 41755801 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · January 28, 2020

Serial Number 41753130 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

diemoz4 6 · November 23, 2019

Serial Number 41753549 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · November 20, 2019

Serial Number 41751228 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · August 20, 2019

Serial Number 41755329 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · April 15, 2019

Serial Number 41752819 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · March 18, 2019

Serial Number 41751966 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

rtwatches 943 · December 7, 2018

Serial Number 41755383 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Nickel finish, marked 21 Jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

tsapala 97 · November 16, 2018

Serial Number 41754190 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

tsapala 97 · November 16, 2018

Serial Number 41754190 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · October 29, 2018

Serial Number 41757274 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · September 21, 2018

Serial Number 41759678 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Urbanops 51 · July 30, 2018

Serial Number 41758587 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 22 jewel marked on movement, as well as nickel
finish instead of gold flashed
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

pmtime Supporter 612 · July 26, 2018

Serial Number 41756294 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

pmtime Supporter 612 · July 26, 2018

Serial Number 41752455 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Anonymous · July 23, 2018

Serial Number 41758745 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

Bildeborg 48 · July 6, 2018

Serial Number 41754155 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

sukay85 8 · June 18, 2018

Serial Number 41754222 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Nickel movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface

propwelder 30 · June 13, 2018

Serial Number 41754222 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Elgin Grade 581 Pocket Watch