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Access Date: November 21, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 44 Pocket Watch
Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 44

Mixed Run: Elgin Nat'l. Watch Co. or G.M. Wheeler

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 5800789 Question Mark
Grade: 44 Question Mark
Variation: Mixed Question Mark
Model: 5 Question Mark
Class: 9 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1895 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 3,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 42 of 43 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 69,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 3,000 (18S-M5-17J-ONP-A-MIXED) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 17j Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Signing Style: Formal Script Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Black Question Mark
Movement Setting: Pendant Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: No Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078, 347272, 345619 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Elgin Nat'l. Watch Co. [or G.M Wheeler]
Elgin, Ill.
17 Jewels
Adjusted
Safety Pinion
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 2279.44G42.18S1309.185M340.O437.P661.17J45 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
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Database Version: v52.450 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 207.74 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 80.22 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.136% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		27 (0.90%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): -5.22% Analyzing 143 Sales Question Mark
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 44

Target Profile: 18S-M5-17J-ONP-A-MIXED

Elgin Grade 44 (All Variations): 69,000 ETP
18S: 69,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 44
18S-M5: 69,000 100.00%
18s, Grade 44, Model 5
18S-M5-17J: 5,000 7.25%
18s, Grade 44, Model 5, 17 Jewels		 Other: 64,000
Other Jewels or Unclassified
18S-M5-17J-ONP: 5,000 7.25%
18s, Grade 44, Model 5, 17 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Nickel
18S-M5-17J-ONP-A: 5,000 7.25%
18S-M5-17J-ONP-A-MIXED: 3,000 4.35% Other: 2,000
Other Variants or Unclassified

Population Registry for This Run

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

mikeswatches 4 · May 14, 2022

Serial Number 5799866 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 15, 2022

Serial Number 5800090 was reported as accurate.

Rickhufnagel7 Top Contributor Elgin Expert Hampden Expert Supporter 630 · January 13, 2022

Serial Number 5800789 was reported as accurate.

Bostonjoe Top Contributor Supporter 196 · December 11, 2021

Serial Number 5800585 was reported as accurate.

mcecil Supporter 2 · March 4, 2021

Serial Number 5801640 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 21, 2021

Serial Number 5800823 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 26, 2020

Serial Number 5799398 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 29, 2019

Serial Number 5800262 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 6, 2019

Serial Number 5799398 was reported as accurate.

IanC74 1 · October 27, 2018

Serial Number 5801580 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Almost all data is correct on this watch, other
than the fact that it says the plate is full
plate, the Elgin 5801580 is actually 3/4 plate,
and I believe that this information should be
update.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. The Elgin Grade 44 is exclusively an 18-Size Model 5 Movement, which is classified as "full plate." If you find this differs from your movement, please upload images to your account so we can take a closer look.

webitect 1 · September 22, 2018

Serial Number 5801852 was reported as accurate.

Singularity21 19 · August 13, 2018

Serial Number 5801271 was reported as accurate.

BETSYBUTLER 4 · October 19, 2016

Serial Number 5799697 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 28, 2016

Serial Number 5801048 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 18, 2016

Serial Number 5799697 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: ADJUSTED, SAFETY PINION, NOT ROMAN MARKERS ON
DIAL
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · October 21, 2015

Serial Number 5800945 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Serial #5800945 17 Jewels- Movement Marked as
Adjusted
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · September 19, 2015

Serial Number 5800945 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · June 18, 2015

Serial Number 5801925 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · May 12, 2015

Serial Number 5799528 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · March 9, 2015

Serial Number 5799320 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The movement is engraved "ADJUSTED" and "Safety
Pinion".
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · February 26, 2015

Serial Number 5801832 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · November 13, 2014

Serial Number 5799264 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This is a GM Wheeler, but it is marked 17 Jewels
on the barrel bridge.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · October 3, 2014

Serial Number 5800336 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · September 21, 2014

Serial Number 5799457 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · August 1, 2014

Serial Number 5801033 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

69abody 166 · October 26, 2013

Serial Number 5800443 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · July 11, 2013

Serial Number 5799815 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · December 29, 2012

Serial Number 5800604 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: it is 17j. i have 17j marked on my movement with
this ser#
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · December 25, 2012

Serial Number 5800604 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · April 12, 2012

Serial Number 5799565 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Elgin Grade 44 Pocket Watch