Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 164 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 164

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 6654687 Question Mark
Grade: 164 Question Mark
Variation: Father Time Question Mark
Model: 2 Question Mark
Class: 1 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1897 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 400 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 5 of 7 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 6,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 1,000 (18S-M2-21J) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Hunting Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class C Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 2648.164G5.18S1468.182M177.H1981.L1154.21J15 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.465 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
18.06 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
6.92 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.012% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
6 (1.50%) Question Mark
Research Note: This run was originally designated as Grade 164 with 17 Jewels marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." However, production was upgraded to 21-Jewel movements marked "Father Time" starting at #6654601. While this run appears combined in factory serial lists, it has been split accordingly for the purposes of the database.

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Dave895 Supporter 101 · June 13, 2024

Serial Number 6654679 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked up as 21 Jewel Father Time
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Jaharvey38 Supporter 15 · December 30, 2023

Serial Number 6654723 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Father Time, 21 Jewel
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · March 17, 2023

Serial Number 6654935 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · August 21, 2021

Serial Number 6654746 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

JPFour 8 · August 15, 2021

Serial Number 6654746 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked 21 Jewel and Father Time
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · February 7, 2019

Serial Number 6654962 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · July 17, 2015

Serial Number 6654825 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: hunter case, 21 jewel father time, up-jeweled
grade 164 to grade 995.

jmclaw 1 · February 16, 2014

Serial Number 6654618 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 16, 2014

Serial Number 6654618 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 14, 2014

Serial Number 6654618 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 3, 2013

Serial Number 6654618 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked '21 JEWELS' on Barrel Bridge
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · September 17, 2012

Serial Number 6654770 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: it is marked 21j
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Elgin Grade 164 Pocket Watch