Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 164 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 164

Actual Production Inconsistent With Factory Records. See Research Notes.

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 6728312 Question Mark
Grade: 164 Question Mark
Variation: Father Time Question Mark
Model: 2 Question Mark
Class: 1 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1897 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 600 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 6 of 7 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 6,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 1,000 (18S-M2-21J) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Material: Ruby Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Screw-Set Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Hunting Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Signing Style: Mixed Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Black Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Moseley Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Standard Dial Type: Double-Sunk Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Position: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade Classification: Class C Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Father Time
Elgin, Ill. U.S.A.
21 Jewels
Adjusted.
Safety Pinoin
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 2681.164G6.18S1486.182M182.H2002.L1165.21J19 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.528 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
18.06 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
6.92 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.012% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
5 (0.83%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 9.83% Analyzing 54 Sales Question Mark
Research Note: This run is designated in factory serial lists as Grade 164 [6728001-6730000]. Standard Grade 164 movements feature 17 Jewels. However, some movements early in the run were upgraded to 21 Jewels. Serials ~6728001-6728600 (Quantity: 600) were upgraded to Father Time 21-Jewel movements while the rest of the run 6728601-6730000 (Quantity: 1,400) were 17-Jewel movements marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." or marked for private labels. This run has now been split accordingly for the purposes of the database.

#6728312: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [PWDB cranemaker].
#6728314: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels."
#6728515: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [FB].
#6728530: Reported as Marked "21 Jewels."
#6728567: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels."
#6728585: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [eBay #113348889155].
#6728713: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #202414044481, JH 2018-08-16].
#6728722: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [JH 2018-09-23].
#6728812: Verified as Private Label Marked "A. Graves - Memphis, Tenn." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #354556317993]
#6729471: Reported as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co."

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · October 31, 2023

Serial Number 6728211 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 7, 2022

Serial Number 6728211 was reported as accurate.

cranemaker Supporter 83 · April 25, 2021

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 13, 2021

Serial Number 6728385 was reported as accurate.

tobpec Supporter 31 · May 19, 2020

Serial Number 6728585 was reported as accurate.

rjbeck 150 · March 17, 2019

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 8, 2019

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 8, 2019

Serial Number 6728312 was reported as accurate.

BOBTICTAC1940 34 · October 23, 2018

Serial Number 6728585 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 12, 2016

Serial Number 6728205 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

DARipley 1 · June 19, 2013

Serial Number 6728567 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 21 jewels father time
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · April 10, 2013

Serial Number 6728567 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Father Time
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · December 22, 2012

Serial Number 6728530 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 21 jewel not 17
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · May 10, 2012

Serial Number 6728314 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement is marked Elgin Father Time, 21 Jewels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j
Elgin Grade 164 Pocket Watch