Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 6728567 (Grade 164)

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Access Date: November 19, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 164

Actual Production Inconsistent With Factory Records. See Research Notes.

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	6728567
Grade:	164
Variation:	Father Time
Model:	2
Class:	1
Estimated Production Year:	1897
Run Quantity:	600
Grade/Model Run:	6 of 7
Grade/Model Total Production:	6,000
Variant Est. Production:	1,000 (18S-M2-21J)
Size:	18s
Jewels:	21j
Jewel Material:	Ruby
Jewel Setting:	Screw-Set
Movement Configuration:	Hunting
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Signing Style:	Mixed
Movement Inlay Color:	Black
Movement Setting:	Lever
Plate:	Full Plate
Barrel:	Going
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Moseley
Hairspring:	Breguet
Standard Dial Type:	Double-Sunk
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
Railroad Grade Classification:	Class C
U.S. Patents:	77078
Movement Markings:	Father Time Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted. Safety Pinoin
Case:	Various
Run ID:	2681.164G6.18S1486.182M182.H2002.L1165.21J19
Data Research:	1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Database Version:	v52.446
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	18.06
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	6.92
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.012%
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only	5 (0.83%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change):	0.39% Analyzing 54 Sales
Research Note: This run is designated in factory serial lists as Grade 164 [6728001-6730000]. Standard Grade 164 movements feature 17 Jewels. However, some movements early in the run were upgraded to 21 Jewels. Serials ~6728001-6728600 (Quantity: 600) were upgraded to Father Time 21-Jewel movements while the rest of the run 6728601-6730000 (Quantity: 1,400) were 17-Jewel movements marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." or marked for private labels. This run has now been split accordingly for the purposes of the database. #6728312: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [PWDB cranemaker]. #6728314: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels." #6728515: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [FB]. #6728530: Reported as Marked "21 Jewels." #6728567: Reported as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels." #6728585: Verified as Marked "Father Time" and "21 Jewels" [eBay #113348889155]. #6728713: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #202414044481, JH 2018-08-16]. #6728722: Verified as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." and "17 Jewels" [JH 2018-09-23]. #6728812: Verified as Private Label Marked "A. Graves - Memphis, Tenn." and "17 Jewels" [eBay #354556317993] #6729471: Reported as Marked "Elgin Natl. Watch Co."

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 164

Target Profile: 18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT-FATHER TIME

Elgin Grade 164 (All Variations): 6,000 ETP
18S: 6,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 164
18S-M2: 6,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2
18S-M2-21J: 1,000 16.67% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2, 21 Jewels	Other: 5,000 Other Jewels or Unclassified
18S-M2-21J-HNL: 1,000 16.67% 18s, Grade 164, Model 2, 21 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Nickel
18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT: 1,000 16.67%
18S-M2-21J-HNL-APT-FATHER TIME: 1,000 16.67%

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