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Access Date: April 19, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 184
B.W. Raymond
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 7859462 | |
| Grade: | 184 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond | |
| Model: | 5 | |
| Class: | 7 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1899 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 6 of 32 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 10,120 | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Screw-Set | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Signing Style: | Formal Script | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Black | |
| Movement Setting: | Pendant | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Moseley | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 347272, 345619 | |
| Movement Markings: | B.W. Raymond Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 17 Jewels Adjusted Safety Pinion |
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| Data Research: |
1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 3088.184G6.18S1659.185M514.O719.P1248.17J193 | |
| Database Version: | v52.235 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 30.47 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 11.72 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.020% | |
| Registry Population: | 6 (0.60%) | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 184
Target Profile: 18S-M5-17J-ONP-APT-B.W. RAYMOND
| Elgin Grade 184 (All Variations): 10,120 ETP |
| 18S: 10,120 100.00% 18s, Grade 184 |
| 18S-M5: 10,120 100.00% 18s, Grade 184, Model 5 |
| 18S-M5-17J: 10,120 100.00% 18s, Grade 184, Model 5, 17 Jewels |
| 18S-M5-17J-ONP: 10,120 100.00% 18s, Grade 184, Model 5, 17 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Nickel |
| 18S-M5-17J-ONP-APT: 10,120 100.00% |
| 18S-M5-17J-ONP-APT-B.W. RAYMOND: 10,120 100.00% |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 6 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
frankrus Supporter 34 · May 7, 2021
Serial Number 7859462 was reported as accurate.
frankrus Supporter 34 · April 30, 2021
Serial Number 7859462 was reported as accurate.
frankrus Supporter 34 · April 30, 2021
Serial Number 7859462 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 19, 2020
Serial Number 7859308 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 4, 2020
Serial Number 7859825 was reported as accurate.
ABUMALEK 97 · January 2, 2020
Serial Number 7859083 was reported as accurate.
esoxhunter Top Contributor Supporter 127 · November 1, 2018
Serial Number 7859308 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: You are correct - my mistake. It is a Grade 184
BW Raymond Model 5 OF with Mosely traveling nut
regulator and screw down jewel settings. Also, I
might add that this watch may well be RR Grade.
Pendant set watches were still being accepted into
RR service at the time of manufacture.
BW Raymond Model 5 OF with Mosely traveling nut
regulator and screw down jewel settings. Also, I
might add that this watch may well be RR Grade.
Pendant set watches were still being accepted into
RR service at the time of manufacture.
Curator Response: Thanks for the followup report. I agree with this assessment. The Grade 184 Raymond replaced the Grade 116 Raymond c.1898. While no catalog descriptions are known for the 184 Raymond, it was fitted with a steel escape wheel, and since the Grade 116 Raymond was specifically advertised for railroad service, it would be logical to conclude the 184 Raymond would have been intended for the same market even though we do not know the level of adjustments.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
esoxhunter Top Contributor Supporter 127 · November 1, 2018
Serial Number 7859308 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
esoxhunter Top Contributor Supporter 127 · August 27, 2018
Serial Number 7859308 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This appears to be a Model 7 movement but it is
pendant set, not lever set.
pendant set, not lever set.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. The Model 5 is Pendant-Set and the Model 7 is Lever-Set. It sounds like you are describing a pendant-set Model 5 as the lookup information indicates, correct?
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · February 22, 2013
Serial Number 7859810 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: It is a B.W. Raymond but not RR it ias it is a
rare pendant set BW. It is adjusted. see pic in my
collection.
rare pendant set BW. It is adjusted. see pic in my
collection.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · August 30, 2012
Serial Number 7859370 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Movement marked B.W. Raymond
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · August 28, 2012
Serial Number 7859370 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · August 9, 2012
Serial Number 7859810 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
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