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From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 81 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 81

"G.M. Wheeler" or "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co."

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 852301 Question Mark
Grade: 81 Question Mark
Variation: Mixed Question Mark
Model: 1 Question Mark
Class: 4 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1881 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 5,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 4 of 13 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 53,000 Question Mark
Variant Est. Production: 25,000 (18S-M1-13J-HGK-U-MIXED) Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 13j Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Adaptable Question Mark
Movement Finish: Gilt Question Mark
Movement Setting: Key Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Adjusted: No Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 77078 Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 604.81G4.18S449.181M370.H588.K466.13J34 Question Mark
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.449 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
159.57 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
61.61 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.105% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
42 (0.84%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 3.08% Analyzing 242 Sales Question Mark
Research Note: #852252 Verified as Marked G.M. Wheeler with 13 Jewels [eBay #173154696070]. #851031: Verified as Marked "Elgin Nat'l. Watch Co." with 13 Jewels [eBay #333630154142].

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · April 14, 2023

Serial Number 852809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 31, 2023

Serial Number 852809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 2, 2022

Serial Number 851562 was reported as accurate.

LostDutchman Supporter 52 · December 29, 2021

Serial Number 854052 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 26, 2021

Serial Number 854252 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 26, 2021

Serial Number 852385 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 26, 2021

Serial Number 852385 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 18, 2021

Serial Number 852222 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 13, 2021

Serial Number 852222 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 5, 2021

Serial Number 852222 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 3, 2021

Serial Number 853103 was reported as accurate.

rtwatches 943 · November 30, 2020

Serial Number 850895 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Unsigned barrel bridge, perhaps a replacement?

Anonymous · October 30, 2020

Serial Number 852826 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 16, 2018

Serial Number 852754 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 18, 2018

Serial Number 853112 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 11, 2017

Serial Number 853430 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · November 27, 2017

Serial Number 854798 was reported as accurate.

sanjosetom 313 · May 25, 2017

Serial Number 852488 was reported as accurate.

Lebaron49 12 · January 21, 2017

Serial Number 851516 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 13j or 15j to 13j

Anonymous · June 29, 2016

Serial Number 851411 was reported as accurate.

dscottgoodrick 142 · May 9, 2016

Serial Number 854951 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 10, 2014

Serial Number 852488 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 12, 2014

Serial Number 854837 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 15, 2013

Serial Number 851062 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 6, 2013

Serial Number 851085 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 25, 2013

Serial Number 852451 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 31, 2013

Serial Number 850410 was reported as accurate.

CORBETT 3 · July 21, 2013

Serial Number 854110 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My Serial #854110 is key wind, Blauer invisible
silver or pewter case.

Anonymous · April 1, 2013

Serial Number 853301 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 4, 2013

Serial Number 853437 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 24, 2012

Serial Number 853267 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 30, 2012

Serial Number 852471 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 20, 2012

Serial Number 853437 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: It is not a hunting style movement. It is key wind
and key set and the key hole in the case lines up
with the key wind mechanism on the movement and
the 12 is at the winding stem.
Elgin Grade 81 Pocket Watch