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Access Date: December 22, 2024
"97" could possibly indicate the grade of the watch and not the serial number of your movement. Serial numbers are usually more than a few digits.
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: Experimental
Manufacturer: | Elgin | |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
Movement Serial Number: | 97 | |
Grade: | Experimental | |
Estimated Production Year: | 1867 | |
Run Quantity: | 100 | |
Railroad Grade: | No | |
Case: | Various | |
Database Version: | v52.517 | |
Advanced Metrics | ||
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 3.25 | |
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 1.20 | |
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.002% | |
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 11 (11.00%) | |
Research Note: Official Elgin factory serial lists start at movement #101 (18-Size B.W. Raymond). However, evidence supports the existence of experimental or pre-production movements in the 1-100 serial block. The first model designed for possible production was "an 18-Size (English) full plate, key-wind, with quick train and straight line escapement, arranged to set the hands at the back." However, this model was not adopted for production, and the company instead settled on the 18-Size model that is so familiar amongst Elgin collectors. It is possible that some of these pre-production "English" 18-Size movements fall within the 1-100 run. In 2020, movement #97 was sold on the eBay auction site. Though it does not fit the description of the first (rejected) model, it resembles the early 10s "Lady Elgin" movements. However, the images reveal the plates are considerably larger - approximately 15-Size (image analysis indicates a pillar plate diameter of approximately 42.3mm). The movement is marked "Daniel Webster Whittle - No. 97 - National Watch Co. - Elgin - Moseley's Patent - Patent Pinion." It is keywind/keyset and features screw-set jeweling on the top plate (11 or 15 total jewels). The dial is single-sunk with Roman numerals and signed "National Watch Co."
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade Experimental
Target Profile: S-M-J--U
Elgin Grade Experimental (All Variations): 1,080 ETP |
S: 1,080 100.00% , Grade Experimental |
S-M: 1,080 100.00% , Grade Experimental, Model |
S-M-J: 1,080 100.00% , Grade Experimental, Model , Jewels |
S-M-J-: 1,080 100.00% , Grade Experimental, Model , Jewels, // |
S-M-J--U: 1,080 100.00% |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 11 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Image Source/Credit: eBay Auction
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