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https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/waltham/17187841/movement
Access Date: November 29, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
American Waltham Watch Co.

Grade: Assorted

Special

Private Label(s) in Run:

Canadian Pacific Railway
(Possibly) J.Q. Hatch
The American Leader N. Gamse NY

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Manufacturer: Waltham Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Waltham, Massachusetts Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 17187841 Question Mark
Grade: Assorted Question Mark
Model: Asst Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1908 Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 17j Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted # of Positions: 5 Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 21261.G10.18S11896.M2.O13247.L5245.17J1935 Question Mark
Data Research: 1954 Waltham "Gray Book" List
NAWCC Waltham Serial Digest
 Question Mark
Database Version: v52.470 Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		13 (1.30%) Question Mark
Research Note: Mixed Run with Various Grades and Private Label Movements. #17187841: Verified as "Marquis" with 15 Jewels and Gilded Plates.
Research assistance provided by Jerry Treiman.
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · November 11, 2024

Serial Number 17188117 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 21, 2024

Serial Number 17187930 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: It’s marked as a marquis with 15 jewels I’ve
already submitted this information but shows as
inaccurate doesn’t mention the marquis or 15
jewels?
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

Anonymous · November 10, 2022

Serial Number 17188397 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 5, 2022

Serial Number 17187930 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 17, 2022

Serial Number 17187930 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 12, 2022

Serial Number 17187930 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 21, 2022

Serial Number 17187621 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 16s Model 1899 (star regulator), lever-set, 21
jewels, marked Adjusted 5 Positions. No. 1047.
Waltham Watch Co., Specially Adjusted for J. Q.
Hatch & Co. Damasceened like a Vanguard, and same
jewel settings.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

Anonymous · June 21, 2022

Serial Number 17187621 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · May 26, 2022

Serial Number 17188095 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 25, 2022

Serial Number 17188095 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 22, 2022

Serial Number 17188391 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 26, 2021

Serial Number 17187809 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 13, 2021

Serial Number 17187833 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 20, 2020

Serial Number 17187833 was reported as accurate.

PHIL1199 Supporter 1132 · January 13, 2020

Serial Number 17187833 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This number is on a Marquis 16s 15 jewels

Anonymous · December 23, 2019

Serial Number 17187807 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 15 jewels, no adjustments shown. Marquis model

Anonymous · December 20, 2019

Serial Number 17187807 was reported as accurate.

PHIL1199 Supporter 1132 · December 19, 2019

Serial Number 17187807 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The movement with this serial number is actually a
16s 15 jewels!.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

PHIL1199 Supporter 1132 · December 14, 2019

Serial Number 17187807 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 4, 2019

Serial Number 17187670 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 19, 2019

Serial Number 17188277 was reported as accurate.

fweepa 29 · October 10, 2018

Serial Number 17187841 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Pendant setting, not lever. No adjustment stamps;
15j, not 17; Updated collection with image.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. This run is mixed with a variety of movements, so I have included your watch in the "Research Notes" section.

Anonymous · July 21, 2016

Serial Number 17188051 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Factory Model changed from 1892 to Asst

mccuskerjim 17 · March 18, 2016

Serial Number 17188082 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: "Canadian Pacific Railway" in a Crest stamped on
movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Factory Model changed from 1892 to Asst

Anonymous · January 29, 2016

Serial Number 17188202 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Factory Model changed from 1892 to Asst

Anonymous · January 10, 2016

Serial Number 17187573 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: this movement is a 21 jewel "The American Leader"
PL N. Gamse NY
Changes since this report was submitted:
Factory Model changed from 1892 to Asst

Anonymous · January 5, 2016

Serial Number 17188010 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: model 1892 17 jewel adjusted "Canadian Pacific
Railway"
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from Unknown to 18
Jewels changed from ? to 17j
Movement Setting changed from Key to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · January 11, 2015

Serial Number 17188156 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: model 1892 17 jewel adj. 5 positions
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from Unknown to 18
Jewels changed from ? to 17j
Movement Setting changed from Key to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes

wabash 134 · October 18, 2014

Serial Number 17188481 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 17188481 is a Canadian Railway Time Service
movement.

Model 1892
Size 18
17 jewels
Open face
Nickel finish
Lever set
Full plate
Adjusted 5 positions
Railway grade
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from Unknown to 18
Jewels changed from ? to 17j
Movement Setting changed from Key to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · July 7, 2014

Serial Number 17188268 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This serial number relates to a CPR Railroad Watch
(Canada)
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from Unknown to 18
Jewels changed from ? to 17j
Movement Setting changed from Key to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes

bowfinn 52 · March 8, 2014

Serial Number 17187627 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: IT IS MARKED 5 POSITIONS. 21 JEWELS. ALSO MARKED
NO. 1047 STEM SETTING
Changes since this report was submitted:
Size changed from Unknown to 18
Jewels changed from ? to 17j
Movement Setting changed from Key to Lever
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes