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554 Waltham 16-A Ordnance Department Pocket Watch 1945 17 Jewels Pendent Set
$300.00
Check Price Source: eBay.com
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Access Date: November 19, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Waltham Grade No. 1617 Pocket Watch
American Waltham Watch Co.

Grade: No. 1617

Mixed Run: Various Grades and Jewel Counts. Please Submit Report, If Possible.

Manufacturer: Waltham Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Waltham, Massachusetts Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 29967658 Question Mark
Grade: No. 1617 Question Mark
Model: 1908 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1939 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 10,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 2 of 11 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 82,000 Question Mark
Size: 16s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j    Mixed Run Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Setting: Pendant Question Mark
Plate: Bridge Plate Question Mark
Hairspring: Breguet Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: Yes Question Mark
Railroad Grade: No Question Mark
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 25708.G2.16S3899.161908M1437.O15957.P10574.21J616 Question Mark
Data Research: 1954 Waltham "Gray Book" List
NAWCC Waltham Serial Digest
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Database Version: v52.446 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 246.88 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 224.66 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration		 0.245% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only		59 (0.59%) Question Mark
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): 3.62% Analyzing 177 Sales Question Mark
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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Blicquer Supporter 90 · June 18, 2024

Serial Number 29967642 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Waltham SN 29967642 is a 12 size, not a 16 size,
watch. It's 21 jewels, model 1924 Premier
Colonial. Pictures can be sent, but this is not my
watch, so I can't add it to my collection.

Blicquer Supporter 90 · June 18, 2024

Serial Number 29967642 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · June 18, 2024

Serial Number 29967642 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · February 4, 2024

Serial Number 29960992 was reported as accurate.

1tc603 7 · October 27, 2023

Serial Number 29962127 was reported as accurate.

1tc603 7 · October 27, 2023

Serial Number 29962127 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The watch is stamped Waltham Crescent Street 16s,
17 jewels
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

drisen 31 · August 10, 2023

Serial Number 29959229 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This says it's a Crescent Street it's 17 jewels 16
size
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

Anonymous · July 1, 2022

Serial Number 29964872 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 25, 2022

Serial Number 29964872 was reported as accurate.

cliffdobbins 296 · December 22, 2021

Serial Number 29960531 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 8, 2021

Serial Number 29966161 was reported as accurate.

Reaganlee 53 · September 28, 2021

Serial Number 29966339 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 28, 2021

Serial Number 29966339 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 5, 2021

Serial Number 29965614 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: iI appears the serial numbers in the grey book are
way off (or missing altogether) for this run.
Serial number 59965614 (mine - ebay purchase
9/5/21) is a 12s 21j Colonial - NOT a 16s (1617 as
listed here). The watch movement is marked -
"29965614, Waltham Premier Colonial, 21 jewels,
Adj. Temp., jeweled main wheel, U.S.A.". It also
appears to have a elinvar-type hairspring.
Curator Response: Yes. The later Waltham serial lists are known to be more prone to errors as they appear to have assigned blocks and then completed actual production in a more inconsistent way.

Anonymous · August 26, 2021

Serial Number 29962091 was reported as accurate.

Rcardkidz 4054 · August 22, 2021

Serial Number 29965159 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 30, 2021

Serial Number 29966257 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My Waltham Premier Colonial 29966257 with 21
jewels is a 12s. The rest of the information
appears accurate.
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. If possible, please upload an image of the movement to your collection for further evaluation and documentation.

cliffdobbins 296 · June 16, 2021

Serial Number 29960531 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Nine Jewels not 17 Jewels
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!

Anonymous · May 15, 2021

Serial Number 29962800 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 15, 2021

Serial Number 29962800 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: The watch i have serial #29962800 says 17 Jewels.
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!

Anonymous · April 4, 2021

Serial Number 29963405 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 29963405 s/n is a size 12
Curator Response: According to factory records, this run is 16-Size. The No. 1617 grade was not produced in 12-Size.

Dieselburb 21 · February 25, 2021

Serial Number 29965496 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

jeffercine 3 · February 3, 2021

Serial Number 29967658 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Stamped "Adj. Temp."
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. The database has been updated accordingly.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 27, 2021

Serial Number 29964905 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 17, 2021

Serial Number 29967456 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My watch is 9 jewels and a 12 size movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 25, 2020

Serial Number 29964905 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 25, 2020

Serial Number 29964905 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 24, 2020

Serial Number 29966089 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · August 27, 2020

Serial Number 29959532 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · June 14, 2020

Serial Number 29968385 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Fankhauser 4 · April 16, 2020

Serial Number 29965788 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: this is a nine jewel version
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · April 10, 2020

Serial Number 29968758 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Nine jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 23, 2020

Serial Number 29967484 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement stamped Colonial Premier 9 jewels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Dieselburb 21 · December 7, 2019

Serial Number 29965496 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · September 5, 2019

Serial Number 29960531 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is marked 9 JEWELS and NOT 21
Jewels. Most of these I have seen are 17 Jewels
but this one is an odd one.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · June 21, 2019

Serial Number 29960864 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Colonial 17 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

ba1951 1 · April 19, 2019

Serial Number 29963456 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: my watch # 29963456 is marked Nine Jewel
Curator Response: Thanks for the report!
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

MLS1512 8 · February 14, 2019

Serial Number 29959059 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Stamped 17 Jewels on Movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · January 13, 2019

Serial Number 29962072 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 9 jewels on the mouvement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Dieselburb 21 · December 23, 2018

Serial Number 29965496 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 7, 2018

Serial Number 29968904 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · August 20, 2018

Serial Number 29964948 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · May 2, 2018

Serial Number 29968375 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Serial number is not a 16 size it is a 10 size
pocket watch movement
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

colaman6mcq Supporter 151 · April 19, 2018

Serial Number 29959672 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Crescent St., 17 jewels, 16s
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 27, 2018

Serial Number 29966093 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: My movement is a nine jewels.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · March 9, 2018

Serial Number 29960168 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: 16s crescent st
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 27, 2017

Serial Number 29959561 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Note: this one is marked
"Crescent St." 16S 17 Jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 7, 2017

Serial Number 29959683 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Must be a mixed run because this one is marked
"Crescent St." 16S 17 Jewels with a free regulator
and no sign of adjustments. Cheers. duffy l.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · November 3, 2017

Serial Number 29964984 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge

Anonymous · July 28, 2017

Serial Number 29963412 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is 12 size.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Plate changed from 3/4 to Bridge
Waltham Grade No. 1617 Pocket Watch