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Access Date: November 09, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 367
Father Time
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 14578601 | |
| Grade: | 367 | |
| Variation: | Father Time | |
| Model: | 8 | |
| Generation: | Second | |
| Class: | 90 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1910 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 4 of 13 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 10,300 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 8,000 (18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME) | |
| Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 2,700 | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 21j | |
| Jewel Material: | Ruby, Sapphire & Diamond | |
| Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Signing Style: | Old English | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Double Roller: | Yes | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Balance Jewel Material: | Diamond | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Pallet Jewel Material: | Sapphire | |
| Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Adjustment Tolerance: | [10] 5P +/- 10 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 3 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 0-2 s/24hrs. | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
| Wind Indicator: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
| Movement Markings: | Father Time Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 21 Jewels Adjusted 5 Positions Adjusted Safety Barrel |
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| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 6714.367G4.18S2880.188M91.O2296.L1931.21J174 | |
| Data Research: |
1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.431 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 31.01 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 11.93 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.020% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 15 (1.50%) | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 367
Target Profile: 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME
| Elgin Grade 367 (All Variations): 10,300 ETP | |
| 18S: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367 |
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| 18S-M8: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367, Model 8 |
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| 18S-M8-21J: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367, Model 8, 21 Jewels |
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| 18S-M8-21J-ONL: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367, Model 8, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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| 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 10,300 100.00% | |
| 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME: 8,000 77.67% | Other: 2,300
Other Variants or Unclassified |
| NOTE: 13,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 2,700 Never Manufactured | |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 15 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
chuck1500 112 · January 19, 2021
Serial Number 14578433 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 3, 2018
Serial Number 14578377 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 23, 2018
Serial Number 14578306 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 29, 2017
Serial Number 14578553 was reported as accurate.
fordcasa Top Contributor Supporter 443 · October 9, 2014
Serial Number 14578789 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: 22s navigation watch
Wind indicator
Was gimbaled and boxed
Was free sprung but converted to regulator
Wind indicator
Was gimbaled and boxed
Was free sprung but converted to regulator
Anonymous · May 29, 2014
Serial Number 14578284 was reported as accurate.
don7866 6 · March 21, 2014
Serial Number 14578601 was reported as accurate.
jerrydk7 227 · March 8, 2014
Serial Number 14578240 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Barrel = Motor
Wind Indicator Present = no
Wind Indicator Present = no
alandye 52 · February 20, 2014
Serial Number 14578106 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: not free sprung, otherwise correct.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Chattflash 24 · January 26, 2014
Serial Number 14578106 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · June 2, 2013
Serial Number 14578629 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · June 2, 2013
Serial Number 14578929 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · April 18, 2013
Serial Number 14578767 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Not mounted in gimbals, just normal watch case.
Railroad grade.
Railroad grade.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · August 21, 2012
Serial Number 14578173 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Not Free Sprung, no Winding Indicator, not Mounted
in Gimbals with outer box and I believe it is
Railroad Grade
in Gimbals with outer box and I believe it is
Railroad Grade
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes
Anonymous · July 16, 2012
Serial Number 14578767 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Going barrel, not a motor barrel. Not mounted in
Gimballs or box but a regular 18 size case like a
salesman's case. Open glass crystals in both
front and back bezels.. The rest is correct.
Gimballs or box but a regular 18 size case like a
salesman's case. Open glass crystals in both
front and back bezels.. The rest is correct.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes
Anonymous · July 12, 2012
Serial Number 14578694 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: not free sprung
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
