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Access Date: November 27, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 391
"Father Time" or "B.W. Raymond"
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 16136444 | |
| Grade: | 391 | |
| Variation: | Mixed | |
| Model: | 15 | |
| Class: | 98 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1912 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 4 of 9 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 9,000 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 4,000 (16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED) | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 21j | |
| Jewel Material: | Ruby & Sapphire | |
| Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Double Roller: | Yes | |
| Barrel: | Safety | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Pallet Jewel Material: | Sapphire | |
| Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
| Wind Indicator Available: | Yes | |
| Wind Indicator Present: | Mixed | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 7672.391G4.16S1810.1615M40.O2790.L2074.21J207 | |
| Data Research: |
1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.465 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 27.09 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 10.41 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.018% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 18 (1.80%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 0.74% Analyzing 80 Sales | |
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Research Note: Mixed Run: Father Time and B.W. Raymond. #16136441: Verified as Marked "B.W. Raymond."
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 391
Target Profile: 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED
| Elgin Grade 391 (All Variations): 9,000 ETP | |
| 16S: 9,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 391 |
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| 16S-M15: 9,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 391, Model 15 |
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| 16S-M15-21J: 9,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 391, Model 15, 21 Jewels |
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| 16S-M15-21J-ONL: 9,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 391, Model 15, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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| 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 9,000 100.00% | |
| 16S-M15-21J-ONL-A5PTI-MIXED: 4,000 44.44% | Other: 5,000
Other Variants or Unclassified |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 18 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
CG12960 26 · June 1, 2024
Serial Number 16136848 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · September 12, 2022
Serial Number 16136336 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 9, 2020
Serial Number 16136059 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 21, 2020
Serial Number 16136024 was reported as accurate.
bobpat81 23 · April 4, 2019
Serial Number 16136500 was reported as accurate.
Urbanops 51 · December 24, 2017
Serial Number 16136435 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · December 23, 2017
Serial Number 16136521 was reported as inaccurate.
sgitman 1 · August 1, 2017
Serial Number 16136078 was reported as inaccurate.
mckeedale 18 · January 20, 2017
Serial Number 16136428 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 25, 2016
Serial Number 16136607 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 25, 2016
Serial Number 16136607 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 20, 2016
Serial Number 16136911 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 29, 2016
Serial Number 16136951 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 23, 2016
Serial Number 16136943 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 22, 2016
Serial Number 16136066 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 22, 2013
Serial Number 16136439 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 18, 2013
Serial Number 16136616 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 18, 2012
Serial Number 16136616 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 20, 2012
Serial Number 16136441 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 17, 2012
Serial Number 16136700 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 27, 2012
Serial Number 16136848 was reported as inaccurate.
my second example of one being marked Father Time
